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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 10:58:01 GMT -5
Ac inside and Jump shot and the dudes a top 3 PF lold. nothing about 75% ft or 46% fg at PF will make him a top player. still wouldnt be an amazing scorer, still no shotblocking. also did below 10 rpg at pf last year.
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Post by Martinez on Jul 15, 2011 10:59:19 GMT -5
Ac inside and Jump shot and the dudes a top 3 PF lold. nothing about 75% ft or 46% fg at PF will make him a top player. still wouldnt be an amazing scorer, still no shotblocking. also did below 10 rpg at pf last year. wrong, Nanz had him at C
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Post by brophdog88 on Jul 15, 2011 11:06:24 GMT -5
Ac inside and Jump shot and the dudes a top 3 PF lold. nothing about 75% ft or 46% fg at PF will make him a top player. still wouldnt be an amazing scorer, still no shotblocking. also did below 10 rpg at pf last year. lol he is doing 25 ppg, it would improve his percentages for sure, name three better PF's
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Post by Martinez on Jul 15, 2011 11:09:11 GMT -5
lold. nothing about 75% ft or 46% fg at PF will make him a top player. still wouldnt be an amazing scorer, still no shotblocking. also did below 10 rpg at pf last year. lol he is doing 25 ppg, it would improve his percentages for sure, name three better PF's that's what I've been trying to get out of him but he's yet to name anyone
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:11:29 GMT -5
lold. nothing about 75% ft or 46% fg at PF will make him a top player. still wouldnt be an amazing scorer, still no shotblocking. also did below 10 rpg at pf last year. lol he is doing 25 ppg, it would improve his percentages for sure, name three better PF's 25 ppg isnt an objectively good thing, dunno why youre presenting it like it is. right now he doesnt deserve the touches, and on 46% hes still not a top PF. id take ramsey, bruton, keane, sinclair, flint, petit. juno can't touch those guys in rebs/blocks, and even if he outscores them, he's not an efficient scorer at all
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:12:19 GMT -5
lol he is doing 25 ppg, it would improve his percentages for sure, name three better PF's that's what I've been trying to get out of him but he's yet to name anyone lol @ you latching onto an argument you havent been making and presenting it like its your own
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:13:30 GMT -5
oh, id also take red kerr
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Post by Martinez on Jul 15, 2011 11:17:15 GMT -5
that's what I've been trying to get out of him but he's yet to name anyone lol @ you latching onto an argument you havent been making and presenting it like its your own yup marty that offers off the table like i told you it would be if you didn't get back to me. it's irrelevant. rooks' value kills mccallum, but i'd like to see you argue in favor of juno. all he has going for him is that he sat on LA with great ratings so once he's available, his value gets inflated. in reality, he's a tweener with bad percentages and turnovers. i only wanted him to flip him for another piece. can't youre talking about a 24/5.5/11 pg with great percentages and low turnovers vs. a big shooting 44% and 70 from the line. great, he'll put up 25 if you give him the touches, but that's a huge strain on your offense. Also, I love how you are taking 16games worth of a sample to judge Tremont when he's a career 46%FG shooter. I would love to see how many bigs out there are even averaging 20/10/1/1 Yup, I took a time machine and implanted that commented before Broph's.
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:18:32 GMT -5
he said who's better than juno, not what bigs do 20/10
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:18:50 GMT -5
lolz
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Post by brophdog88 on Jul 15, 2011 11:19:19 GMT -5
lol he is doing 25 ppg, it would improve his percentages for sure, name three better PF's 25 ppg isnt an objectively good thing, dunno why youre presenting it like it is. right now he doesnt deserve the touches, and on 46% hes still not a top PF. id take ramsey, bruton, keane, sinclair, flint, petit. juno can't touch those guys in rebs/blocks, and even if he outscores them, he's not an efficient scorer at all Keane does far fewer points on similar percentages for his career, and cant be an option without massive turnover problems, his rebounding #'s are similar, and so far this year he is rebounding the same, which means all he offers over Juno is the extra shotblocking...Ramsey is not a PF, being listed at and playing SF, Petit is not really scoring efficiently at all either, and he doesnt block shots...so thats kinda funny, So Bruton, Flint, Sinclair except Sinclair is currently doing 12.4 points on 37.3% shooting and 56.8% from the FT line...so yeah, Juno is better
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Post by brophdog88 on Jul 15, 2011 11:21:52 GMT -5
Juno is doing 11.9 rebounds, and the Clippers are a top tier rebounding team with a +5 margin so he can board
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:23:58 GMT -5
25 ppg isnt an objectively good thing, dunno why youre presenting it like it is. right now he doesnt deserve the touches, and on 46% hes still not a top PF. id take ramsey, bruton, keane, sinclair, flint, petit. juno can't touch those guys in rebs/blocks, and even if he outscores them, he's not an efficient scorer at all Keane does far fewer points on similar percentages for his career, and cant be an option without massive turnover problems, his rebounding #'s are similar, and so far this year he is rebounding the same, which means all he offers over Juno is the extra shotblocking...Ramsey is not a PF, being listed at and playing SF, Petit is not really scoring efficiently at all either, and he doesnt block shots...so thats kinda funny, So Bruton, Flint, Sinclair except Sinclair is currently doing 12.4 points on 37.3% shooting and 56.8% from the FT line...so yeah, Juno is better you didnt even make a cogent argument in there. you just pointed out flaws. not even worth responding to. i listed guys who all have severe advantages over juno and you pointed out a flaw or two in each of their games. you provided a 12 game sample for sinclair like it's grounds for dismissal. he's a way better rebounder/shotblocker with the same %s. petit is the same offensive player (just not in volume, WHICH IS A BETTER THING, as you know) and is a much better rebounder with fewer turnovers. i included ramsey because maybe you didnt know this, but he did 30 and 10 on amazing percentages at PF last year..."so yeah, that's kinda funny" fucking horrible
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Post by brophdog88 on Jul 15, 2011 11:25:31 GMT -5
Juno is doing 11.9 rebounds, and the Clippers are a top tier rebounding team with a +5 margin so he can board
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Post by Haberino on Jul 15, 2011 11:26:15 GMT -5
oh and keane's just better than juno. his percentages arent similar because he takes 150 threes a year at great percentages, probably puts his efg% far above juno's, and his ts% is probably way higher with the FTs too. then he dominates him defensively, especially in shotblocking, and is a superior rebounder
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