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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:29:20 GMT -5
Well this wouldn't work. The Republican congressmen who are crying about spending are the one's who spend the most. Red states outspend blue states significantly. Completely a joke. I know, I just thought I'd point that little fact out. |
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:29:30 GMT -5
But that isn't how socialism works you get what you need, that's it lol, wut? i might be mixing up socialism and communism |
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:30:29 GMT -5
This professor is also a crackpot. Not like Obama is proposing a society where everyone is completely equal (which is what the professor is doing here). Some level of inequality is good, just not at the level we have in the U.S. (biggest gap of income equality of any industrialized nation in the world)
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Post by Pig on Feb 1, 2012 14:31:12 GMT -5
Socialism is taken as a terrible word for no reason really. Our system mixes capitalism with socialism to an extent, but probably not enough. If you look at other industrialized economies, we aren't really even there yet.... Right, but I don't think we're striving to follow the German Economic model though. I feel like we attempt to keep close to the British Economic model sans putting all our emphasis into strength of currency. |
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:31:37 GMT -5
as far as i remember socialism was just a transitory stage bw capitalism and communism
but it has been years since social studies class so i might be wrongs
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:32:06 GMT -5
as far as i remember socialism was just a transitory stage bw capitalism and communism but it has been years since social studies class so i might be wrongs not really, no. |
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Post by gmgreggor on Feb 1, 2012 14:32:10 GMT -5
It's not just a matter of the rich though. My family is about as middle class as it gets, yet my dad would pretty heavily oppose socialism because he doesn't trust the government to use his money well. fits the criteria i'm sure. rich is definitional there - someone for whom redistribution is a net negative. [glow=red,2,300]also if you're as middle class as it gets, you'd actually be poor. middle class is a total misnomer[/glow] What exactly does this mean? |
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:33:17 GMT -5
Socialism is taken as a terrible word for no reason really. Our system mixes capitalism with socialism to an extent, but probably not enough. If you look at other industrialized economies, we aren't really even there yet.... Right, but I don't think we're striving to follow the German Economic model though. I feel like we attempt to keep close to the British Economic model sans putting all our emphasis into strength of currency. I mean our economic model right now is pretty fucked. I don't think it would be a bad thing to look at what other countries are successfully doing (i.e. we are spending way, way more than any other country on health care and getting far fewer benefits) |
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Post by gmgreggor on Feb 1, 2012 14:34:57 GMT -5
Right, but I don't think we're striving to follow the German Economic model though. I feel like we attempt to keep close to the British Economic model sans putting all our emphasis into strength of currency. I mean our economic model right now is pretty fucked. I don't think it would be a bad thing to look at what other countries are successfully doing (i.e. we are spending way, way more than any other country on health care and getting far fewer benefits) What is a good example Skillz? |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 14:36:01 GMT -5
Socialism is taken as a terrible word for no reason really. Our system mixes capitalism with socialism to an extent, but probably not enough. If you look at other industrialized economies, we aren't really even there yet.... Yeah, what most people don't realize is anytime the government is paying for something that you use, it's pretty much a form of socialism. Having paved streets that are paid for by the government is a level of socialism. And yeah greeme, you're mixing communism with socialism. Socialism generally means high taxation and a redistribution of that wealth to essential programs (health, education, etc). Pretty much every college kid who learns about socialism immediately thinks its the greatest idea ever (and as an idea, it is great), but executing the idea is an entirely different animal. |
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:39:33 GMT -5
The problem with socialist policies (i.e. public education, social security, health care, etc.) isn't the policies/theory themselves it's their implementation. We just need a better model for public education and health care.
Health care in France, for example, is government run. Yet people pay less than in the US and for the most part, get far better health care.
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:42:51 GMT -5
The problem with socialist policies (i.e. public education, social security, health care, etc.) isn't the policies/theory themselves it's their implementation. We just need a better model for public education and health care. Health care in France, for example, is government run. Yet people pay less than in the US and for the most part, get far better health care. in france health care is run at a loss so while they get decent benefits the money will run out. here health care is govt run but the more money you have the more likely you will be to get private health care, at least for surgery and the like - choice of doctors, shorter waiting time etc |
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:43:01 GMT -5
The problem with socialist policies (i.e. public education, social security, health care, etc.) isn't the policies/theory themselves it's their implementation. We just need a better model for public education and health care. Health care in France, for example, is government run. Yet people pay less than in the US and for the most part, get far better health care. |
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:44:06 GMT -5
The problem with socialist policies (i.e. public education, social security, health care, etc.) isn't the policies/theory themselves it's their implementation. We just need a better model for public education and health care. Health care in France, for example, is government run. Yet people pay less than in the US and for the most part, get far better health care. in france health care is run at a loss so while they get decent benefits the money will run out. here health care is govt run but the more money you have the more likely you will be to get private health care, at least for surgery and the like - choice of doctors, shorter waiting time etc the money is gonna run out here soon enough too when you consider medicare/medicaid to baby boomers |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 14:45:25 GMT -5
Wait, we still have money here?
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