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Post by Blue on Jan 30, 2012 18:54:20 GMT -5
Uh.. because it isn't? Its not something to be feared or used as it has been. Its no longer an economic model but a scare tactic in America. josepth mccarthy's fault |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 13:49:54 GMT -5
I'm not especially opinionated politically, mainly because the system in place is currently so fucked up that having an opinion doesn't seem to matter, but the main issue I've always heard associated with socialism is that people don't trust the government to actually allocate money in an efficient manner. The idea that I'll pay more into the system than the value received back isn't exactly appealing. (again, this isn't my own personal opinion, as I'm not informed enough to have a valid one, just the argument I commonly heard referenced in a shitty sociology class)
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Post by Haberino on Feb 1, 2012 14:03:02 GMT -5
rich people dont like giving their governments money a really head scratcher  |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 14:07:33 GMT -5
It's not just a matter of the rich though. My family is about as middle class as it gets, yet my dad would pretty heavily oppose socialism because he doesn't trust the government to use his money well.
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:18:42 GMT -5
It's not just a matter of the rich though. My family is about as middle class as it gets, yet my dad would pretty heavily oppose socialism because he doesn't trust the government to use his money well. i don't trust socialism bc i think most people are lazy if you get what you need so working then why work? |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 14:20:39 GMT -5
To get more than you need? Most people aren't happy with simply what they need.
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Post by Haberino on Feb 1, 2012 14:23:33 GMT -5
It's not just a matter of the rich though. My family is about as middle class as it gets, yet my dad would pretty heavily oppose socialism because he doesn't trust the government to use his money well. fits the criteria i'm sure. rich is definitional there - someone for whom redistribution is a net negative. also if you're as middle class as it gets, you'd actually be poor. middle class is a total misnomer |
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:24:07 GMT -5
To get more than you need? Most people aren't happy with simply what they need. But that isn't how socialism works you get what you need, that's it |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 14:24:14 GMT -5
If by poor you mean in tons of debt then yeah, that's us.
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Post by Haberino on Feb 1, 2012 14:24:49 GMT -5
If by poor you mean in tons of debt then yeah, that's us. no it's not what i mean but that's my family too  |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Feb 1, 2012 14:25:29 GMT -5
To get more than you need? Most people aren't happy with simply what they need. But that isn't how socialism works you get what you need, that's it lol, wut? |
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Post by greeme on Feb 1, 2012 14:26:25 GMT -5
It's not just a matter of the rich though. My family is about as middle class as it gets, yet my dad would pretty heavily oppose socialism because he doesn't trust the government to use his money well. fits the criteria i'm sure. rich is definitional there - someone for whom redistribution is a net negative. also if you're as middle class as it gets, you'd actually be poor. middle class is a total misnomer someobe else told me something similar it is quite counterintuitive i would have thought that the extremely rich more than make up up for the numerous poor but i guess not |
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:26:53 GMT -5
I really think we should just divide the nation into Red America and Blue America. Everyone goes where they please and we'll see who is right and who is wrong about their policies. Well this wouldn't work. The Republican congressmen who are crying about spending are the one's who spend the most. Red states outspend blue states significantly. |
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Post by Skillz on Feb 1, 2012 14:28:35 GMT -5
Socialism is taken as a terrible word for no reason really. Our system mixes capitalism with socialism to an extent, but probably not enough. If you look at other industrialized economies, we aren't really even there yet....
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Post by Pig on Feb 1, 2012 14:28:43 GMT -5
I really think we should just divide the nation into Red America and Blue America. Everyone goes where they please and we'll see who is right and who is wrong about their policies. Well this wouldn't work. The Republican congressmen who are crying about spending are the one's who spend the most. Red states outspend blue states significantly. Completely a joke. |
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