Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Nov 17, 2011 13:07:42 GMT -5
2034 Top 10s Part 1 - Centers
2034 Top 10s Part 2 - Power Forwards
Glossary:
PER - an attempt at combing all stats into one, per minute rating. Meh, not that applicable here, but I listed it anyways. Average is 15.
fbb_oRtg - a player's points produced per 100 possessions used, taking into account shooting efficiency, turnover rate, and offensive rebounding. League average is 111.8.
Poss% - The percentage of a team's possessions that a player used, primarily by taking a shot, getting to the free throw line, or turning the ball over.
TS% - A true measure of shooting efficiency, similar to eFG% except it also factors in free throws. League average is 53.6%.
TO/poss - The percentage of possessions a player turned the ball over. Again, assists are not factored into possessions. League average is 12.0%.
REB% - The percentage of available rebounds a player grabbed while on the court. League average is 10%.
BLK% - Percentage of the opponents shots a player blocks. League average is .34%.
STL% - Percentage of opponents possessions that a player ends with a steal. League average is .34%.
SF Top 10 Rankings
These rankings do not take contract or age into account, only who the best players in the league are right now, at this very moment. To decide that, I've used stats primarily from this season combined with ratings and a given player's statistical history.
1. Elgin Baylor SF 31 6'5'' 234 A A A- A A- C
-Far and away the best SF in the league, and one could certainly make the case that he's the best player in the league. I don't really know what to say about him, because he's obviously great at just about everything. His only slight weakness is his turnovers are a bit high, but other than that he's about as perfect a player as you can ask for. Outlawz needs to do a better job surrounding him with talent, right now he's being wasted.
2. Sam Jones SF 31 6'5'' 209 A- C+ C+ B+ B C
-He's not in Baylors league, but after him he stacks up against anyone. When ever you shoot 50% from the floor, you know you're doing something right. He keeps his turnovers low, is a big plus in the rebounding, steals, and blocks department, and that's all while putting up volume on offense. There isn't a bad thing I can say about Sam Jones.
3. Dean Hollis SF 34 6'10'' 230 B A+ C A- B D
-Dean's getting older, his contract is bloated, but at the end of the day he's still one of the best small forwards the league has to offer. He's scoring as efficiently as ever, thanks in large part to the ridiculously low turn over rate, and still gets rebounds, blocks, and steals out of the SF position. Apparently that wasn't enough to save Jeff from his contract year though.
4. Oscar Robertson SF 27 6'5'' 205 A- B+ C+ A- B C
-I'm not going to lie, I'm a little disappointed in Oscar. His ability to play PG is a huge plus, but ultimately I expected his production to be on an Elgin level, and it just won't ever get there. He's a really, really good player, but I don't think he's the dominant player most people expected when he was drafted. Maybe some AC love would help change that, because I feel like he's close, but he just isn't there yet. Volume wise maybe, efficiency wise it isn't close.
5. Chet Walker SF 25 6'6'' 215 A B+ C- B B+ A
-The Heat obviously have great expectatoins for Walker, sending a pretty talented duo of players to OKC to acquire him last year. The resulting production from Walker was all they could really ask for, putting up over 30 a game and doing a great job on the glass. Still, he isn't going to be able to carry the Heat to 42 wins alone, he's going to need some more help this year than he had last year.
6. Johnny Green SF 30 6'5'' 205 A C C- B A C
-Green's a really, really cool player. The high percentage shooting doesn't translate into an especially high TS% due to the lack of 3s, but it's still above average, and the sub 5% turnover rate helps close the gap between Green and the more efficient scorers in the league. On the whole, he's one of the better all around players the league has to offer, and his rebounding at the SF spot is unmatched.
7. Cliff Hagan SF 32 6'5'' 229 B+ A- C B B- F
-Hagan's had a bit of an up and down career, but this year he was a huge part of the Bucks success. Though he isn't much of a defender, Hagan does a good job on the boards and is more than capable of putting some points up, and perhaps his biggest plus offensively is that he doesn't turn the ball over. Despite this, I've never gotten the impression that Hagan is that highly valued around the league.
8. Jack Twyman SF 6'6'' 210 31 B+ A- C B- A- D
-There was a time where I questioned if Twyman would ever be on Hagan's level. They both entered the league with similar ratings, but early on Hagan was a far more efficient offensive player. That's no longer the case, as Twyman shoots the ball better than Hagan, and puts up better defensive stats. Not sure how much longer he'll be a quality starter, but for now he's getting the job done.
9. Lorenzo Carr SF 33 6'10'' 213 B+ A- B+ A- B- C
-I tend to side with the more offensive SFs for this list, but you can certainly make a case for Carr being better than any number of the above listed players. Defensively he does it all, whether it be on the glass, racking up steals, or swatting shots. Offensively he isn't quite the caliber of the above players. His shooting is a little spotty, and while he helps make up for it with his low turnover rate, it doesn't entirely close the gap.
10. J.D. Quincy SF 34 6'5'' 237 B A- C+ B B D
-Similar to Carr, Quincy is a superb defender but isn't the elite offensive player that some other SFs are. He shoots the ball better than Carr, but, as he has for most of his career, struggles with ball security. The rebound rate is truly impressive though, I assume he got some minutes at PF, because a 12.5% rebound rate at SF in FBB is almost impossible.
Honorable Mention
Tanner Thompson - He's a bit turnover prone and doesn't do anything especially better than most of the guys on this list, but he's certainly in the same league as most of these guys.
Larry Friend - Great stats when given the opportunity to play. He's a poor defender and he can't rebound, but he can straight up score.
Albert Smith - A big reason the Raptors were able to compete in the playoffs this year.
Dwayne Smith - Super efficient on offense.
Gus Johnson - Excellent rookie campaign, not sure how much of it came at SF though?
JJ Erving - Not the stud he used to be, but still a quality starter.
George Brown/Tandy Gillis/J.T. Irish/Matt Wesley - All were solid role playing SFs.
Dick Barnett - Solid, ratings suggest he should be more than that though.
Temple Tucker - <3
Dishonorable Mention
Juno Tremont - Even at his best he wasn't a model of efficiency, now he's just plain bad.
Don Nelson - Turning into the new Juno.
2034 Top 10s Part 2 - Power Forwards
Glossary:
PER - an attempt at combing all stats into one, per minute rating. Meh, not that applicable here, but I listed it anyways. Average is 15.
fbb_oRtg - a player's points produced per 100 possessions used, taking into account shooting efficiency, turnover rate, and offensive rebounding. League average is 111.8.
Poss% - The percentage of a team's possessions that a player used, primarily by taking a shot, getting to the free throw line, or turning the ball over.
TS% - A true measure of shooting efficiency, similar to eFG% except it also factors in free throws. League average is 53.6%.
TO/poss - The percentage of possessions a player turned the ball over. Again, assists are not factored into possessions. League average is 12.0%.
REB% - The percentage of available rebounds a player grabbed while on the court. League average is 10%.
BLK% - Percentage of the opponents shots a player blocks. League average is .34%.
STL% - Percentage of opponents possessions that a player ends with a steal. League average is .34%.
SF Top 10 Rankings
These rankings do not take contract or age into account, only who the best players in the league are right now, at this very moment. To decide that, I've used stats primarily from this season combined with ratings and a given player's statistical history.
1. Elgin Baylor SF 31 6'5'' 234 A A A- A A- C
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
26.56 | 125.8 | 31.73% | 59.6% | 9.3% | 10.6% | 2.1% | 2.1% |
2. Sam Jones SF 31 6'5'' 209 A- C+ C+ B+ B C
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
22.82 | 126.2 | 25.72% | 58.1% | 6.8% | 9.6% | 1.5% | 2.6% |
3. Dean Hollis SF 34 6'10'' 230 B A+ C A- B D
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
22.09 | 127.8 | 27.15% | 58.8% | 5.5% | 9.4% | 1.5% | 1.6% |
4. Oscar Robertson SF 27 6'5'' 205 A- B+ C+ A- B C
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
25.48 | 116.2 | 32.26% | 55.2% | 9.4% | 8.9% | 1.9% | 3.1% |
5. Chet Walker SF 25 6'6'' 215 A B+ C- B B+ A
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
22.06 | 118.6 | 32.24% | 55.7% | 7.9% | 10.7% | 0.5% | 1.9% |
6. Johnny Green SF 30 6'5'' 205 A C C- B A C
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
21.89 | 121.7 | 28.33% | 54.4% | 4.6% | 11.8% | 1.3% | 2.0% |
7. Cliff Hagan SF 32 6'5'' 229 B+ A- C B B- F
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
21.27 | 124 | 27.58% | 55.8% | 5.8% | 9.5% | 1.2% | 1.0% |
8. Jack Twyman SF 6'6'' 210 31 B+ A- C B- A- D
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
21.09 | 127.2 | 25.13% | 59.0% | 7.7% | 10.5% | 0.4% | 2.8% |
9. Lorenzo Carr SF 33 6'10'' 213 B+ A- B+ A- B- C
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
19.62 | 118 | 23.57% | 52.3% | 4.7% | 12.5% | 3.1% | 1.7% |
10. J.D. Quincy SF 34 6'5'' 237 B A- C+ B B D
PER | fbb_oRtg | Poss% | TS% | TO/poss | REB% | BLK% | STL% |
18.95 | 116.2 | 23.60% | 56.1% | 12.4% | 12.7% | 4.5% | 1.6% |
Honorable Mention
Tanner Thompson - He's a bit turnover prone and doesn't do anything especially better than most of the guys on this list, but he's certainly in the same league as most of these guys.
Larry Friend - Great stats when given the opportunity to play. He's a poor defender and he can't rebound, but he can straight up score.
Albert Smith - A big reason the Raptors were able to compete in the playoffs this year.
Dwayne Smith - Super efficient on offense.
Gus Johnson - Excellent rookie campaign, not sure how much of it came at SF though?
JJ Erving - Not the stud he used to be, but still a quality starter.
George Brown/Tandy Gillis/J.T. Irish/Matt Wesley - All were solid role playing SFs.
Dick Barnett - Solid, ratings suggest he should be more than that though.
Temple Tucker - <3
Dishonorable Mention
Juno Tremont - Even at his best he wasn't a model of efficiency, now he's just plain bad.
Don Nelson - Turning into the new Juno.