Post by aar on Oct 21, 2011 8:10:09 GMT -5
This is a list of players with the most value, i.e. who i would draft 1st in a creation draft. In order to make my life easier everyone that hit 30 is not included. Obviously guys like Purnell and Barker would be here otherwise.
I also just assume that scouted pot is actual, even though it isn't, just because i have no other yardstick to measure pot. I took into account age and pot. I did not take into account present contracts.
1. Chet Walker SF 23 6'6'' 215 A B C B B+ A
2. Rudy LaRusso C 26 6'8'' 225 A- C C A- A- C
3. Lee Shaffer SF 24 6'7'' 221 A- C+ C B B B
4. Boo Ellis PF 27 6'5'' 188 A- C- C- B+ A- D
5. John Smyth PG 28 6'2'' 196 B C A- A- C C
6. George Brown SF 28 6'6'' 203 A- C D+ A B- C
7. Wilt Chamberlain C 27 7'2'' 293 A C C+ A- A+ B
8. Jerry West PG 25 6'2'' 178 B+ A A A C B
9. Bill Russell C 28 6'9'' 241 A- C B- A A C
10. Gary Phillips PG 23 6'3'' 189 C+ C B A+ C C
11. Paul Wilcox SG 26 6'5'' 218 B A C B- C- B
12. Al Ferrari SF 30 6'4'' 190 B+ C+ C+ B+ B- D
13. Oscar Robertson SF 25 6'5'' 205 A- A- B- A- B B
14. Jerry Lucas PF 23 6'9'' 239 A- C C A- A B
15. Vern Mikkelsen PF 35 6'8'' 240 B- C C- A- B F
16. Horace Walker PF 25 6'4'' 213 A- C C- A B+ B
17. John Havlicek SG 23 6'5'' 203 B- A B- B+ C B
18. Walt Hazzard PG 21 6'2'' 185 C+ B B+ B+ C A
19. Boris Nachamkin SF 30 6'6'' 220 B- C- B A- B- C
20. Bill Smith SF 22 6'5'' 193 C A- D B- B+ B
21. Elgin Baylor SF 29 6'5'' 234 A A A- A B+ B
22. Hal Greer SG 27 6'2'' 181 A- A B A B- C
23. York Larese SG 25 6'4'' 186 B- A C- A- C C
24. Walt Bellamy C 24 6'11'' 231 B D+ D+ A- A B
25. Dave DeBusschere PF 23 6'6'' 223 A- C C B B+ A
26. Larry Jones SG 21 6'2'' 180 A- B- C B C A
27. Lenny Wilkens PG 26 6'1'' 183 C+ A- A- A- C A
28. Hot Rod Hundley SG 29 6'4'' 194 A- A A A- C C
29. Bob Sims SG 25 6'5'' 229 B A- B+ A C+ B
30. Al Attles PG 27 6'0'' 187 A- C A A- C+ C
31. Willie Jones SG 27 6'3'' 185 B A- B A C+ B
32. Bobby Rascoe SF 23 6'4'' 205 C+ A C B+ C- A
33. Jim Hadnot C 22 6'10'' 235 B- C- D+ B B+ C
34. Jim King PG 22 6'2'' 175 C+ B+ B B+ C A
35. Bob Boozer PF 26 6'8'' 215 A- C C- B+ B+ C
36. Don Nelson SF 23 6'6'' 216 B+ C C+ A- B+ A
37. Kevin Loughery SG 23 6'3'' 193 C+ A C+ B+ C B
38. George Lee SG 27 6'4'' 206 A- A B- B- C- B
39. Dwayne Smith SF 25 6'6'' 218 B A B A- C- C
40. Shorty Patterson PG 26 5'10'' 156 C+ A- A- B D- C
41. Zelmo Beaty PF 24 6'9'' 228 B C D+ B+ A- A
42. Nate Thurmond C 22 6'11'' 225 C+ C- D B+ A- A
43. Connie Dierking C 27 6'9'' 231 A- C D+ A- B+ C
44. Tom Hoover C 22 6'9'' 230 B+ C D+ B+ B+ B
45. Si Green SG 29 6'2'' 194 B- A B- A- C B
46. Quinn Barnes SF 29 6'10'' 218 C+ A+ C A C C
47. Johnny Green SF 29 6'5'' 205 A+ C- C- B A B
48. Tom Heinsohn SF 29 6'8'' 243 A- C C+ A A C
49. Dick Barnett SF 26 6'4'' 196 B- A- C+ B+ C+ B
50. Don Kojis SF 24 6'4'' 202 B- B+ C B+ B B
This list was much more difficult to write because you have to balance more factors, talent level, potential for growth, # of yrs until retirement, etc.
1 - Again there seems to be a Nuggets bias but most just barely snuck in.
2 - There are those that will think Ho is too high. Tough. Write your own list. In Ho's defense he can guard 2/3/4 which makes him extremely valuable in my eyes in the playoffs. Last year he went back and forth between the 2/3/4 depending on the opponent.
3 - A lot of the rankings are gut calls. No real objective reason why Hazzard is 15 places higher than King but that is how I think things will play out.
4 - Not a lot of good, young pgs out there.
5. Lots of good wings.
6. It was tough omitting Gabe Simon, but he'll likely be on next year's version.
I also just assume that scouted pot is actual, even though it isn't, just because i have no other yardstick to measure pot. I took into account age and pot. I did not take into account present contracts.
1. Chet Walker SF 23 6'6'' 215 A B C B B+ A
2. Rudy LaRusso C 26 6'8'' 225 A- C C A- A- C
3. Lee Shaffer SF 24 6'7'' 221 A- C+ C B B B
4. Boo Ellis PF 27 6'5'' 188 A- C- C- B+ A- D
5. John Smyth PG 28 6'2'' 196 B C A- A- C C
6. George Brown SF 28 6'6'' 203 A- C D+ A B- C
7. Wilt Chamberlain C 27 7'2'' 293 A C C+ A- A+ B
8. Jerry West PG 25 6'2'' 178 B+ A A A C B
9. Bill Russell C 28 6'9'' 241 A- C B- A A C
10. Gary Phillips PG 23 6'3'' 189 C+ C B A+ C C
11. Paul Wilcox SG 26 6'5'' 218 B A C B- C- B
12. Al Ferrari SF 30 6'4'' 190 B+ C+ C+ B+ B- D
13. Oscar Robertson SF 25 6'5'' 205 A- A- B- A- B B
14. Jerry Lucas PF 23 6'9'' 239 A- C C A- A B
15. Vern Mikkelsen PF 35 6'8'' 240 B- C C- A- B F
16. Horace Walker PF 25 6'4'' 213 A- C C- A B+ B
17. John Havlicek SG 23 6'5'' 203 B- A B- B+ C B
18. Walt Hazzard PG 21 6'2'' 185 C+ B B+ B+ C A
19. Boris Nachamkin SF 30 6'6'' 220 B- C- B A- B- C
20. Bill Smith SF 22 6'5'' 193 C A- D B- B+ B
21. Elgin Baylor SF 29 6'5'' 234 A A A- A B+ B
22. Hal Greer SG 27 6'2'' 181 A- A B A B- C
23. York Larese SG 25 6'4'' 186 B- A C- A- C C
24. Walt Bellamy C 24 6'11'' 231 B D+ D+ A- A B
25. Dave DeBusschere PF 23 6'6'' 223 A- C C B B+ A
26. Larry Jones SG 21 6'2'' 180 A- B- C B C A
27. Lenny Wilkens PG 26 6'1'' 183 C+ A- A- A- C A
28. Hot Rod Hundley SG 29 6'4'' 194 A- A A A- C C
29. Bob Sims SG 25 6'5'' 229 B A- B+ A C+ B
30. Al Attles PG 27 6'0'' 187 A- C A A- C+ C
31. Willie Jones SG 27 6'3'' 185 B A- B A C+ B
32. Bobby Rascoe SF 23 6'4'' 205 C+ A C B+ C- A
33. Jim Hadnot C 22 6'10'' 235 B- C- D+ B B+ C
34. Jim King PG 22 6'2'' 175 C+ B+ B B+ C A
35. Bob Boozer PF 26 6'8'' 215 A- C C- B+ B+ C
36. Don Nelson SF 23 6'6'' 216 B+ C C+ A- B+ A
37. Kevin Loughery SG 23 6'3'' 193 C+ A C+ B+ C B
38. George Lee SG 27 6'4'' 206 A- A B- B- C- B
39. Dwayne Smith SF 25 6'6'' 218 B A B A- C- C
40. Shorty Patterson PG 26 5'10'' 156 C+ A- A- B D- C
41. Zelmo Beaty PF 24 6'9'' 228 B C D+ B+ A- A
42. Nate Thurmond C 22 6'11'' 225 C+ C- D B+ A- A
43. Connie Dierking C 27 6'9'' 231 A- C D+ A- B+ C
44. Tom Hoover C 22 6'9'' 230 B+ C D+ B+ B+ B
45. Si Green SG 29 6'2'' 194 B- A B- A- C B
46. Quinn Barnes SF 29 6'10'' 218 C+ A+ C A C C
47. Johnny Green SF 29 6'5'' 205 A+ C- C- B A B
48. Tom Heinsohn SF 29 6'8'' 243 A- C C+ A A C
49. Dick Barnett SF 26 6'4'' 196 B- A- C+ B+ C+ B
50. Don Kojis SF 24 6'4'' 202 B- B+ C B+ B B
This list was much more difficult to write because you have to balance more factors, talent level, potential for growth, # of yrs until retirement, etc.
1 - Again there seems to be a Nuggets bias but most just barely snuck in.
2 - There are those that will think Ho is too high. Tough. Write your own list. In Ho's defense he can guard 2/3/4 which makes him extremely valuable in my eyes in the playoffs. Last year he went back and forth between the 2/3/4 depending on the opponent.
3 - A lot of the rankings are gut calls. No real objective reason why Hazzard is 15 places higher than King but that is how I think things will play out.
4 - Not a lot of good, young pgs out there.
5. Lots of good wings.
6. It was tough omitting Gabe Simon, but he'll likely be on next year's version.