Post by greeme on Oct 21, 2011 4:42:49 GMT -5
This is a list of players with the most value, i.e. who i would draft 1st in a creation draft. In order to make my life easier everyone that hit 30 is not included. Obviously guys like Purnell and Barker would be here otherwise.
I also just assume that scouted pot is actual, even though it isn't, just bc i have no other yardstick to measure pot. I took into account age and pot. I did not take into account present contracts.
1. Wilt Chamberlain C 27 7'2'' 293 A C C+ A- A+ B
2. Jerry West PG 25 6'2'' 178 B+ A A A C B
3. Bill Russell C 28 6'9'' 241 A- C B- A A C
4. Oscar Robertson SF 25 6'5'' 205 A- A- B- A- B B
5. Jerry Lucas PF 23 6'9'' 239 A- C C A- A B
6. Horace Walker PF 25 6'4'' 213 A- C C- A B+ B
7. Chet Walker SF 23 6'6'' 215 A B C B B+ A
8. John Havlicek SG 23 6'5'' 203 B- A B- B+ C B
9. Walt Hazzard PG 21 6'2'' 185 C+ B B+ B+ C A
10. Rudy LaRusso C 26 6'8'' 225 A- C C A- A- C
11. Elgin Baylor SF 29 6'5'' 234 A A A- A B+ B
12. Hal Greer SG 27 6'2'' 181 A- A B A B- C
13. York Larese SG 25 6'4'' 186 B- A C- A- C C
14. Walt Bellamy C 24 6'11'' 231 B D+ D+ A- A B
15. Dave DeBusschere PF 23 6'6'' 223 A- C C B B+ A
16. Larry Jones SG 21 6'2'' 180 A- B- C B C A
17. Lenny Wilkens PG 26 6'1'' 183 C+ A- A- A- C A
18. Hot Rod Hundley SG 29 6'4'' 194 A- A A A- C C
19. Bob Sims SG 25 6'5'' 229 B A- B+ A C+ B
20. Al Attles PG 27 6'0'' 187 A- C A A- C+ C
21. Willie Jones SG 27 6'3'' 185 B A- B A C+ B
22. Bobby Rascoe SF 23 6'4'' 205 C+ A C B+ C- A
23. Eddie Miles SG 23 6'4'' 195 C+ A- C B- C- A
24. Jim King PG 22 6'2'' 175 C+ B+ B B+ C A
25. Bob Boozer PF 26 6'8'' 215 A- C C- B+ B+ C
26. Don Nelson SF 23 6'6'' 216 B+ C C+ A- B+ A
27. Kevin Loughery SG 23 6'3'' 193 C+ A C+ B+ C B
28. George Lee SG 27 6'4'' 206 A- A B- B- C- B
29. Dwayne Smith SF 25 6'6'' 218 B A B A- C- C
30. Shorty Patterson PG 26 5'10'' 156 C+ A- A- B D- C
31. Zelmo Beaty PF 24 6'9'' 228 B C D+ B+ A- A
32. Nate Thurmond C 22 6'11'' 225 C+ C- D B+ A- A
33. Connie Dierking C 27 6'9'' 231 A- C D+ A- B+ C
34. Tom Hoover C 22 6'9'' 230 B+ C D+ B+ B+ B
35. Si Green SG 29 6'2'' 194 B- A B- A- C B
36. Quinn Barnes SF 29 6'10'' 218 C+ A+ C A C C
37. Johnny Green SF 29 6'5'' 205 A+ C- C- B A B
38. Tom Heinsohn SF 29 6'8'' 243 A- C C+ A A C
39. Dick Barnett SF 26 6'4'' 196 B- A- C+ B+ C+ B
40. Don Kojis SF 24 6'4'' 202 B- B+ C B+ B B
41. Guy Rodgers PG 28 6'0'' 197 B- A- A A- C C
42. Gus Johnson SF 25 6'6'' 230 A- C D B- A- B
43. Lee Shaffer SF 24 6'7'' 221 A- C+ C B B B
44. Lavelle Langston PG 27 6'1'' 170 C A+ B B+ D+ C
45. Vern Hatton SG 27 6'3'' 198 C A+ A+ B+ D C
46. Rayford Wells SG 27 6'6'' 196 B- A C- A C C
47. Tom Meschery SF 25 6'6'' 218 B C C A- B B
48. Pickles Kennedy PG 25 5'11'' 180 C A+ B+ B- D C
49. Paul Wilcox SG 26 6'5'' 218 B A C B- C- B
50. Bumper Tormohlen C 26 6'8'' 242 B- D+ D+ A A B
This list was much more difficult to write bc you have to balance more factors, talent level, potential for growth, # of yrs until retirement, etc.
1 - Again there seems to be a Nuggets bias but most just barely snuck in.
2 - There are those that will think Ho is too high. Tough. Write your own list. In Ho's defense he can guard 2/3/4 which makes him extremely valuable in my eyes in the playoffs. Last year he went back in forth bw the 2/3/4 depending on the opponent.
3 - A lot of the rankings are gut calls. No real objective reason why Hazzard is 15 places higher than King but that is how I think things will play out.
4 - Not a lot of good, young pgs out there.
5. Lots of good wings.
I also just assume that scouted pot is actual, even though it isn't, just bc i have no other yardstick to measure pot. I took into account age and pot. I did not take into account present contracts.
1. Wilt Chamberlain C 27 7'2'' 293 A C C+ A- A+ B
2. Jerry West PG 25 6'2'' 178 B+ A A A C B
3. Bill Russell C 28 6'9'' 241 A- C B- A A C
4. Oscar Robertson SF 25 6'5'' 205 A- A- B- A- B B
5. Jerry Lucas PF 23 6'9'' 239 A- C C A- A B
6. Horace Walker PF 25 6'4'' 213 A- C C- A B+ B
7. Chet Walker SF 23 6'6'' 215 A B C B B+ A
8. John Havlicek SG 23 6'5'' 203 B- A B- B+ C B
9. Walt Hazzard PG 21 6'2'' 185 C+ B B+ B+ C A
10. Rudy LaRusso C 26 6'8'' 225 A- C C A- A- C
11. Elgin Baylor SF 29 6'5'' 234 A A A- A B+ B
12. Hal Greer SG 27 6'2'' 181 A- A B A B- C
13. York Larese SG 25 6'4'' 186 B- A C- A- C C
14. Walt Bellamy C 24 6'11'' 231 B D+ D+ A- A B
15. Dave DeBusschere PF 23 6'6'' 223 A- C C B B+ A
16. Larry Jones SG 21 6'2'' 180 A- B- C B C A
17. Lenny Wilkens PG 26 6'1'' 183 C+ A- A- A- C A
18. Hot Rod Hundley SG 29 6'4'' 194 A- A A A- C C
19. Bob Sims SG 25 6'5'' 229 B A- B+ A C+ B
20. Al Attles PG 27 6'0'' 187 A- C A A- C+ C
21. Willie Jones SG 27 6'3'' 185 B A- B A C+ B
22. Bobby Rascoe SF 23 6'4'' 205 C+ A C B+ C- A
23. Eddie Miles SG 23 6'4'' 195 C+ A- C B- C- A
24. Jim King PG 22 6'2'' 175 C+ B+ B B+ C A
25. Bob Boozer PF 26 6'8'' 215 A- C C- B+ B+ C
26. Don Nelson SF 23 6'6'' 216 B+ C C+ A- B+ A
27. Kevin Loughery SG 23 6'3'' 193 C+ A C+ B+ C B
28. George Lee SG 27 6'4'' 206 A- A B- B- C- B
29. Dwayne Smith SF 25 6'6'' 218 B A B A- C- C
30. Shorty Patterson PG 26 5'10'' 156 C+ A- A- B D- C
31. Zelmo Beaty PF 24 6'9'' 228 B C D+ B+ A- A
32. Nate Thurmond C 22 6'11'' 225 C+ C- D B+ A- A
33. Connie Dierking C 27 6'9'' 231 A- C D+ A- B+ C
34. Tom Hoover C 22 6'9'' 230 B+ C D+ B+ B+ B
35. Si Green SG 29 6'2'' 194 B- A B- A- C B
36. Quinn Barnes SF 29 6'10'' 218 C+ A+ C A C C
37. Johnny Green SF 29 6'5'' 205 A+ C- C- B A B
38. Tom Heinsohn SF 29 6'8'' 243 A- C C+ A A C
39. Dick Barnett SF 26 6'4'' 196 B- A- C+ B+ C+ B
40. Don Kojis SF 24 6'4'' 202 B- B+ C B+ B B
41. Guy Rodgers PG 28 6'0'' 197 B- A- A A- C C
42. Gus Johnson SF 25 6'6'' 230 A- C D B- A- B
43. Lee Shaffer SF 24 6'7'' 221 A- C+ C B B B
44. Lavelle Langston PG 27 6'1'' 170 C A+ B B+ D+ C
45. Vern Hatton SG 27 6'3'' 198 C A+ A+ B+ D C
46. Rayford Wells SG 27 6'6'' 196 B- A C- A C C
47. Tom Meschery SF 25 6'6'' 218 B C C A- B B
48. Pickles Kennedy PG 25 5'11'' 180 C A+ B+ B- D C
49. Paul Wilcox SG 26 6'5'' 218 B A C B- C- B
50. Bumper Tormohlen C 26 6'8'' 242 B- D+ D+ A A B
This list was much more difficult to write bc you have to balance more factors, talent level, potential for growth, # of yrs until retirement, etc.
1 - Again there seems to be a Nuggets bias but most just barely snuck in.
2 - There are those that will think Ho is too high. Tough. Write your own list. In Ho's defense he can guard 2/3/4 which makes him extremely valuable in my eyes in the playoffs. Last year he went back in forth bw the 2/3/4 depending on the opponent.
3 - A lot of the rankings are gut calls. No real objective reason why Hazzard is 15 places higher than King but that is how I think things will play out.
4 - Not a lot of good, young pgs out there.
5. Lots of good wings.