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Post by Stannis Baratheon on Aug 15, 2011 21:43:54 GMT -5
lol. hilarious. elite pgs >>>>> anything else, and barker is the best in the game
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Post by Skillz on Aug 15, 2011 21:46:57 GMT -5
5. Bill Russell C 23 6'9'' 226 B+ C- B- A A A 4. Dean Hollis SF 27 6'10'' 223 B+ A+ C A- A- C 3. Elgin Baylor SF 24 6'5'' 228 A- B+ B+ A- A- B 2. Oscar Robertson SF 20 6'5'' 205 B+ B B- A- B A 1. Wilt Chamberlain C 22 7'1'' 278 A- D+ B- A- A A
I think most people here would take the guys in front of him purely on value. Maybe not Russ, but definitely Baylor-Robertson-Chamberlain. And i prefer Hollis to Barker but that's personal preference.
Barker hasn't been on a great team....he hasn't even been on a good team.
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Post by Stannis Baratheon on Aug 15, 2011 21:53:20 GMT -5
and that has what to do with value again? Do you think Barker would put up lesser stats on a better team? if so, you're dumb
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Post by Skillz on Aug 15, 2011 21:55:40 GMT -5
His value is based purely on the perception of the player around the league. Clearly he has great value, but I don't think he has more value than any player ranked ahead of him considering age and everything else.
I think you and Play are the only two who are in agreement here and this article is trying to gauge player's value on a league-wide scale
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Post by Stannis Baratheon on Aug 15, 2011 21:58:53 GMT -5
ok, he hasn't been on a good team? what's that have to do with value? would he be less of a player if he were suddenly on NOH? if you or anyone else thinks so, your logic is absolutely retarded
he's putting up 31/5/11 on the 6th ranked offense on the league with two of the most efficient/prolific scorers you can find in BBS along with an 18/11 non option at PF. our shortcomings have to do with blocks/rebounding, not offense.
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Post by Skillz on Aug 15, 2011 22:05:15 GMT -5
ok, he hasn't been on a good team? what's that have to do with value? would he be less of a player if he were suddenly on NOH? if you or anyone else thinks so, your logic is absolutely retarded he's putting up 31/5/11 on the 6th ranked offense on the league with two of the most efficient/prolific scorers you can find in BBS along with an 18/11 non option at PF. our shortcomings have to do with blocks/rebounding, not offense. my logic has nothing to do with the fact that he hasn't been on a good team....i was just mentioning that in response to you criticizing the rankings and thinking it's ridiculous how Barker isn't # 1. There isn't another person here who thinks Barker is the most valuable player in the league, which is where my logic lies. This is purely a value article, like i said, and based on what I think the perception of players on the league, i think barker is the 6th most valuable player in the league. Which everyone seems to agree with besides you. Wilt's going to be the most dominant two-way force in the league and has huge name association. 21/15/4, 2nd year. i don't think anyone would trade him for barker. Oscar is going to be incredible and is the only player in the league who has a size/rebounding advantage at PG. Baylor keeps improving and is going to be the best all-around player in the league Hollis is a personal choice but the two-way player who has consistently been on good teams>>Barker IMO considering there are more elite PG's than wings in the league. There are so few dominant wings in the league--Hollis is the only one without flaws really. Russell is debatable. I think i may take Barker over Russ but i doubt you'd get the majority of the league to agree with that.
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Post by Stannis Baratheon on Aug 15, 2011 22:11:00 GMT -5
ok, he hasn't been on a good team? what's that have to do with value? would he be less of a player if he were suddenly on NOH? if you or anyone else thinks so, your logic is absolutely retarded he's putting up 31/5/11 on the 6th ranked offense on the league with two of the most efficient/prolific scorers you can find in BBS along with an 18/11 non option at PF. our shortcomings have to do with blocks/rebounding, not offense. my logic has nothing to do with the fact that he hasn't been on a good team....i was just mentioning that in response to you criticizing the rankings and thinking it's ridiculous how Barker isn't # 1. There isn't another person here who thinks Barker is the most valuable player in the league, which is where my logic lies. This is purely a value article, like i said, and based on what I think the perception of players on the league, i think barker is the 6th most valuable player in the league. Which everyone seems to agree with besides you.Wilt's going to be the most dominant two-way force in the league and has huge name association. 21/15/4, 2nd year. i don't think anyone would trade him for barker.
Oscar is going to be incredible and is the only player in the league who has a size/rebounding advantage at PG.
Baylor keeps improving and is going to be the best all-around player in the league
Hollis is a personal choice but the two-way player who has consistently been on good teams>>Barker IMO considering there are more elite PG's than wings in the league. There are so few dominant wings in the league--Hollis is the only one without flaws really.
Russell is debatable. I think i may take Barker over Russ but i doubt you'd get the majority of the league to agree with that.lol wut. when did i say that
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Post by brophdog88 on Aug 15, 2011 22:12:44 GMT -5
Russell is debatable. I think i may take Barker over Russ but i doubt you'd get the majority of the league to agree with that.
no, its not, Russell shows little sign of every being an offensive option, Barker is clearly>>>>
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Aug 15, 2011 22:22:44 GMT -5
I'd much rather have Barker than Russell. There's a chance Russell puts it together offensively, there's also a pretty large chance that he's an offensive liability like he is now for the rest of his career, and at that point is 17 ppg on 43% shooting with great defense and rebounding a whole lot more helpful than the Maurice Stokes of the league?
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Post by Play on Aug 15, 2011 22:56:40 GMT -5
[quote author=skillz board=rcs thread=15677 post=473027 time=1313463340
I think you and Play are the only two who are in agreement here and this article is trying to gauge player's value on a league-wide scale[/quote]
We are
and we have 8 titles between us
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Post by Play on Aug 15, 2011 22:57:56 GMT -5
Barker where he is isn't ridiculous at all. He's never been on a good team. He's a great player but he isn't going to carry the value of the guys in front of him except maybe Russell, which is debatable. It's a value article not a player ranking. Purnell>>>>>>any player besides Barker
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Post by Play on Aug 15, 2011 22:58:04 GMT -5
lol. hilarious. elite pgs >>>>> anything else, and barker is the best in the game
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Post by Jordan on Aug 15, 2011 23:01:26 GMT -5
barker is on a different level than russell
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Post by Play on Aug 15, 2011 23:04:07 GMT -5
play acts like his starting lineup is the all league 1st team every season..
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Post by Play on Aug 15, 2011 23:06:29 GMT -5
Reese had no value, McCracken has similar ratings, and his performance isnt elite by any means...you know it isnt, he is good, but not gonna fetch top 50 value lmao at comparing Reese with McCracken Do you really think I care where his value is at? Not at all..I plan for him to retire in Chicago. His numbers are just fine on my 1st place team...And he's stepping it up since I stop experimenting with my DC.
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