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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 1:39:51 GMT -5
stfu greeme this takes a big fat shit all over your shitty formula articles Nope, these are pretty limited Not a big per fan bc it rewards guys that shoot a lot but poorly Second one I like but it is limited in it's usefulness bc we can't just make certain players shoot more |
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 1:40:34 GMT -5
But dont worry, Hollis scores well in all formulas
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 1:42:53 GMT -5
Spencer should be sending me stats following this sim, I'll do the Team stuff once he does. Spencer sends you the stats? Damn I used to go through every player Spencer- send me the stats too |
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Post by Martinez on Jun 10, 2011 8:33:02 GMT -5
stfu greeme this takes a big fat shit all over your shitty formula articles Nope, these are pretty limited Not a big per fan bc it rewards guys that shoot a lot but poorly Second one I like but it is limited in it's usefulness bc we can't just make certain players shoot more are you dumb, or just dumb? You're not a big fan of per, yet you like the second one which is per? You are a fucking idiot. |
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Jun 10, 2011 8:34:36 GMT -5
No one stat can ever tell you everything. Basketball is a 5 man game, attempting to sum a player's entire performance into one number is asinine. PER attempts to do this, but as you said it rewards guys who jack up tons of shots. Antoine Walker was never an above average player because he was so damn inefficient, but PER tended to rate him as above average because he took so many damned shots.
With that said, looking at oRtg and usage, you can pretty effectively put together a 5 man unit. A couple guys with mid to high oRtg and high usage paired with three guys who are high efficiency and mid to low usage tends to result in a very, very good offense.
There isn't a single basketball stat that isn't "limited," everything and anything has its flaws. A lot of work has gone into 5 man unit stats, and they're tremendously valuable, but even those are limited by small sample sizes. Because basketball is a complex game, there will ALWAYS be a human element to evaluating a roster, but to me looking at oRtg and usage gives about as clear a picture of what kind of player someone is as any stat combination out there.
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:38:42 GMT -5
Nope, these are pretty limited Not a big per fan bc it rewards guys that shoot a lot but poorly Second one I like but it is limited in it's usefulness bc we can't just make certain players shoot more are you dumb, or just dumb? You're not a big fan of per, yet you like the second one which is per? You are a fucking idiot. Second as in other not the chronological second |
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Post by Martinez on Jun 10, 2011 8:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:40:34 GMT -5
sec·ond
[sek-uhnd]
- adjective 1. next after the first 2. other; another
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:40:59 GMT -5
Understand, moron?
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:43:52 GMT -5
It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it. ~Maurice Switzer
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:45:40 GMT -5
They are awesome You are just jealous |
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Post by Martinez on Jun 10, 2011 8:51:43 GMT -5
sec·ond [sek-uhnd] - adjective 1. next after the first 2. other; another Did you really just post the definition proving just how much of an imbecile you are? |
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:54:33 GMT -5
sec·ond [sek-uhnd] - adjective 1. next after the first 2. other; another Did you really just post the definition proving just how much of an imbecile you are? I understand that you are just in that time of the month Martina so I'll just let it go |
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Post by greeme on Jun 10, 2011 8:55:08 GMT -5
But a reading comprehension class couldn't hurt
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Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Jun 10, 2011 9:11:50 GMT -5
They are awesome You are just jealous Both of them are basically PER, with some strange weighting....which would be ok, except there's tons of bad assumptions in there, for example: -Possessions don't end on a FGA or FT, they end on a FGA or FT that isn't rebounded by the offense. Actually calculating possessions is quite complicated. That .93 number in no way represents the value of a possession in this league (it's actually about 1.11). -Points and assists are double counted basically. You can't credit 2 points to someone for making an assisted shot. 2 points is 2 points is 2 points, if you're going to give the assist man some credit, some credit has to be taken away from the guy taking the shot. -FTA/2 is a decent estimate of 2 free throws actually being a FGA, but it's closer to FTA*.44. If anyone wants to understand basic advanced stats, they should pick up a copy of Basketball on Paper by Dean Oliver. |
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