Post by brophdog88 on Jul 9, 2012 20:40:25 GMT -5
Done on AIM, then formatted, not entirely unedited, as there were some gaps, and some rambling about stuff that really didnt matter at all to the article and went on way too long between picks, but here is the top 10
this is an interview, next ones will be far more standard
Brophdogg88: Since its been decided I get to go first, (by me), Im taking the guy who is so obvious at #1 we coulda handed it to Greeme and he woulda taken him even over his massive overrating of prospects, Magic Johnson, currently averaging a triple double for the Celtics at PG, won a title in his rookie year, and just an all around
Brophdogg88: #1: Magic Johnson SF 20 6'8'' 215 A- B A C+ A- A
Magic Johnson SF 54 39.5 27.4 10.5 11.4 2.1 0.6 2.6 .452 .790 .349
Brophdogg88:sure his percentages arent great, but he brings something to the table nobody else in the league can offer, and now his outside is up to a B (seriously, fuck, just noticed that his outside improved with a freebie)
Repole: Larry Bird is my choice at #2
Repole #2: Larry Bird SF 22 6'9'' 220 A- A- A- B- A- A
Larry Bird SF 56 38.6 33.1 10.4 5.3 1.5 0.3 2.3 .494 .908 .406
Brophdogg88:: nice, leave me with the easy pick at three, so I can scoff, don't see what Bird brings to the table that cant be duplicated, well, outside rebounding, and scoring, and passing (but oh wait that's worthless), always worrying when in the draft notes its specifically stated the guy should need to play PF.
Repole: This isn't as easy of a choice as it should be, but Bird's combination of outside scoring and rebounding is something that just isn't matched on the wings. This pick to me is mostly about how easy it would be to build around Bird. Having a guy on the wings who can rebound like Bird to go with elite scoring is just so, so valuable. I'd take Magic ahead of him for basically the same reason, elite rebounding at a position where it's even harder to find (or well, impossible actually), but outside of him I'd start a franchise with Bird.
Brophdogg88: I may be a homer, but Im not stupid, Eric Money at 3. While I love Tree, Eric would have far more value on the open market, hes 24, locked up for 6 more years, and probably the 2nd best PG in the league
Brophdogg88 #3: Eric Money PG 24 6'0'' 170 B+ A A+ A C B
417 Eric Money PG 55 38.5 27.3 5.9 12.2 2.1 0.1 2.1 .470 .851 .397
Repole: Money's great, but he hasn't really been consistently dominant. Bird's still got a good amount of development to go, and I think his superior scoring more than makes up for Money's defensive advantage.
Brophdogg88: He doesnt hurt you with turnovers, great rebounder for a PG, steals scores, and passes, though that doesnt mean shit. Bird is just two years younger than Money, which is crazy to think about but just last season, 50/88/46 %'s for Money. Now he has more scoring around him, and started the year slower, but he has no real flaws. I mean, he keeps getting better, A outside A D, sick ratings...and being a PG in FBB makes him crazy valuable to winning.
Repole: Keep in mind though that those two TCs after year two and three tend to be two of the biggest. Would you take Money here if his inside was C+ and his stats were exactly the same?
Brophdogg88: In all honesty, no, because he wouldnt hold the same value, ratings play a big part in value, and as such, he has sick ratings.
Repole:And that's why I feel he's a bit over valued
Brophdogg88:He would probably not fall far though. Being 24 and locked up is a huge deal.
Repole:He obviously has a high jumping rating based on his dunk contest appearance. Sort of makes the lack of total dominance more understandable.
Brophdogg88:Ehh, but he is still gonna have inside
Repole:Yeah, he's obviously not a slouch there, but it's why he isn't Bradley Barker
Brophdogg88:I dont get the lack of total dominance. Last year was one of the best offensive performances you will see outta a PG. 50/88/46 is sick.
Repole:Yes, and last year was the only season he's been that good. This season he's back to being very, very, very good, but not elite as a scorer.
Brophdogg88:Sure, he isnt scoring 30+ ppg, but, he has that A+ handles, thats gonna take the volume down some. there isnt a PG that could match up to him consistently (Editors note: Kinda forgot about Magic being a PG here).he is that guaranteed number 1 guy, you dont have to worry about losing the fight.
Repole:that's true, just don't think the gap is as huge as the ratings suggest it to be
Brophdogg88:Birds great, but I think the #2 should have that overall game, no real flaws, and Birds lack of D, and meh turnovers are flaws. Money is still doing 47/85/39.7 right now, recovering from his horrific start.
Repole:The turnovers are fine when you consider the volume, it's not a flaw, it's just not a strength
Brophdogg88:ehh, look at Money though, he is doing the same shit, but at PG where turnovers tend to be more pronounced. he averages fewer turnovers.
Repole:and he's less effective as a scorer
Brophdogg88:but Defensively he is pretty obviously better and, his rebounding as a PG is a big deal
Repole:sure, and he's two years older. I'd take the two years younger over the defense, and Bird's rebounding at SF or SG is an even bigger deal to me.
Brophdogg88:had Bird improved this last TC maybe I buy your point, but I dont think he has much room left to grow, horrific perimeter defender, mediocre post defender, but he does steal.
Repole:meh, usually people use improvement over TC as a way to gauge how much potential they have left. it's obvious he started with 100. He's likely down to the mid 80s now, he's still got plenty of room to grow. Anyways, my pick again, and to me a pretty easy pick, Tree Rollins.
Repole#4: Tree Rollins C 24 7'1'' 235 B+ C D+ A- A- B
Tree Rollins C 57 35.8 24.0 11.9 2.5 0.6 3.9 1.3 .481 .940 .000
Brophdogg88: Not shocked, he might be up there ahead of Money, same age, but, what he is is expiring, and thats killer
Repole:The expiring does suck, but he's just flat out dominant in pretty much every way a big man can be. Probably the most efficient big man scorer the league has ever seen, he's an elite shot blocker and a well above average rebounder. Totally in love with this dude's game. He improved far more from his rookie year than I ever expected to be honest
Brophdogg88: His fouls are getting old though, thats killing me right now, as a team, he makes us better defensivley playing PF, but he gets in foul trouble way too much
Repole:yeah, but he still manages to be on the court for 36 minutes
Brophdogg88: I was scared of the rebounding for the longest time, but with the freebie, and even before that, his numbers have been far above average.
Repole:yeah, it was his only real weakness early, now it's clearly a strength; as is pretty much everything about his game. To me this is as easy a pick as there will be throughout the process, outside of Magic
Brophdogg88:Really glad Play didnt take that Tree and Robinzine for Dickey offer tbh
Repole:as you should be. Play's lost a step though, pretty clear now
Brophdogg88: I think at number five, it has to be Dr. J, the dude is a special, special player
Brophdogg88: #5: Julius Erving SF 29 6'6'' 200 A- A B A+ B- B
Julius Erving SF 51 39.4 28.1 8.7 4.8 1.5 1.6 1.7 .485 .888 .419
Brophdogg88:Sure, his early years were disappointing, but overall he has few holes in his game, he blocks, steals, rebounds, passes (hey it looks nice). He defends, scores extremely well, and I mean, ugh
Repole:I'd tend to agree, though he's approaching that magic 30 number where value seems to die.
Brophdogg88:Yeah, he is 29, but I dont think that is gonna matter, I just dont feel there is anybody better right now at overall effect on a team The Celtics rode him last year with magic not really ready. if Dickey was playing better maybe, but he has disappointed lately, pretty heavily offensively. And I just dont see that star young guy
Repole:It should be interesting to see how DBW continues to build his roster around Magic though as Julius ages a bit.
Brophdogg88:Yeah, the transition to Magic from J will be interesting, seeing what he does to replace Skeeter, how he handles Parker etc is the key. That team has more talent and more value than any other, but managing the cap is goonna be tough
Repole:Magic alone pretty much means it has more value than any other roster. Damned that lottery.
Brophdogg88:Ehh, Magic is special, but if you offer me say, Money and ....actually, I think you are rigght, outside maybe a Money/Tree offer, or Money and somebody who the lakers dont have, what are you gonna do. Interesting thought...Bingo or Magic, who is gonna have the better career.
Repole:I think Magic's numbers will look potentially prettier, solid shot he averages a triple double for the majority of his career, but to me topping Bingo's impact just won't happen. He carried a team both offensively and defensively, I don't know that Magic will get to that same level as a scorer.
Brophdogg88:Funny that already he has entered that realm though, second year and he is the annointed one...question is, if you want MJ to be better, how can you possibly do that.
Repole:On that note, I'm going to go ahead and select Darryl Dawkins:
Repole#6: Darryl Dawkins PF 22 6'11'' 251 A- C- C- A- B+ B
Darryl Dawkins PF 55 38.0 20.0 12.7 1.8 1.0 3.6 2.0 .467 .741 .000
Brophdogg88:ohhhh, surprised
Repole:It may be a bit of a reach, but consider that he's 22, locked up long term, an elite shot blocker, a well above average rebounder, and has turned into a pretty damned solid offensive player as well. If I had Bingo still and had to rebuild, I wouldn't hesitate a second to move him for Dawkins.
Brophdogg88:well, Bingo is old (editors note: and overpaid), so there is that, nor is he top ten value in my mind.
Repole:I guess to me it comes down to Dawkins being the closest thing to Tree Rollins out there, he's not the offensive player Tree is, but defensively and on the glass he's as good as it gets
Brophdogg88:so now, if I offer Money and Dawkins for Magic, and you have him, do you do that
Repole:I still decline from the Celtics perspective, but I'm not as high on Money as you are
Brophdogg88:I cant see Money passing four on value, so kinda shocking, even if you do take Tree over him, that leaves a lot of players behind him.
Repole:Either could I, but to me he's totally out of the running for top 2 and I'd probably have him at 4 if you ignore the contract situation with Tree. I just don't believe in giving up a player as special as Magic though. Maybe, I said I wouldn't trade Tree right now for Money, and that's true, but, I think league wide, Money is going to garner that value, as great as Money and Dawkins are, they aren't guaranteeing anything.
Brophdogg88:maybe, I said I wouldn't trade Tree right now for Money, and that's true, but, I think league wide, Money is going to garner that value. Also, way to shit on me after I say Money and somebody the Lakers don't have.
Repole:Haha, the Laker's roster has a ton of talent on it, though they're a few moves away from really capitalizing on it.
Brophdogg88:kinda shocked me, if he wasnt starting my least favorite player in the league, that team would be really scary. Willoughby being effective at SF is a big deal.
Repole:Eakins hasn't been too bad though
Brophdogg88:I just hate Eakins, so horrid, makes me think he is gonna be good, then shit. Does nada, turns it over a ton while I'm trying to deal him in a package for Beaty, blegh.
Repole:Understandably so. I think the worst thing Styro's doing is playing Malbert Pradd 11 minutes a game at backup PG. That's really just unacceptable. It's only 11 mpg, but people tend to underrate how big of an impact that can have
Brophdogg88:yeah, Pradd sucks. Of course, I did the same thing last year, but that was third string. Here's the thing, outta backups, if you have the scoring in the starting lineup, Ive always felt the abiliuty to get one big game outta every four was a bigger deal, Pradd can do that, and really, his 3.3 turnovers or so per 36 arent all that bad...could he put Alviin Scott as his backup, sure
Repole:Eh the issue to me is pradd doesn't give him anything he needs
Brophdogg88:his percentages arent great, but, he produces points at around a 20 ppg mark, and is a nice rebounding backup , the only thing the Lakers need really is...uhh, well rebounding I guess
Repole:Putting Scott there is just so easily a better choice though, or even a bigger guy who rebounds
Brophdogg88:Scott is horrific offensively though.
Repole:He doesn't need to scoring though, scott isn't shooting enough for it to really matter that much.
Brophdogg88:ehh, love having somebody off the bench, who can score in the event your starters shit on you.
Repole:I'd honestly consider having Schlueter play backup point over Pradd, but that's just me and my love for out of position stuff.
Brophdogg88:meh, I hate running that kinda stuff, Schlueter has the most impact as a bacckup PF/C though anyway, great rebounder.
Repole:Jasper Wilson would be an awesome pickup for them too, get some rebounding and defense at backup PG/SG to make up for Westphal's rebounding.
Brophdogg88:true, Jasper would, his ratings have gone straight to hell though...dont see the salary on the Lakers to get him
Mayes and Pradd is close actually, so nevermind that; cause he isnt right at the HC or anything.
Repole:Eh, yeah, he should get on that.
Brophdogg88:so, for number 7...why does Dickey make it so hard for me to pick him here. I cant, but I think he probably should.
Repole:because he's 28 and is mediocre offensively
Brophdogg88:no, his percetages are great. 48/82
Repole:absolutely, but he's not a volume guy,
Brophdogg88:I think he is, thats what I dont get
Repole:he's Tree without volume, and 28
Brophdogg88:too lazy to go look at the DC, I've always felt he at SF would be>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
Repole:agreed
Brophdogg88:anyway though, I gotta go with....I really wanna say Maurice Cheeks, shoulda made a list prior to starting this, so difficult right now, Cheeks percentages are meh
Repole:Wouldn't put Cheeks here for sure, he's got a long way to go offensively
Brophdogg88:I dont LOVE anybody at this pick, signal of a nice drop off
Repole:I can sympathize, pretty bleh on whoever I'll be picking after you
Brophdogg88:cant take Gervin, I don't think he is even better than Westphal right now. Moses is meh right now. Nobody on my roster to reach for.
Repole:Moses is a pretty big disappointment in my eyes
Brophdogg88:he is, no doubt, he finally develops his D, and his offense drops off.
Repole:you could probably make a case for Bobby here if you really wanted to
Brophdogg88:can I just say Isaiah Thomas already? I just dont see anybody I wouldnt instantly deal for him
Repole:yeah, I'd tend to agree with that
Brophdogg88:even if he hasnt been in the league yet, nor have we seen him play, screw it, taking the cheap way out.
Repole:but how many would have said that about Laimbeer around this spot last year? smh at taking a guy not even in the league yet.
Brophdogg88:true, but, on the other hand the guy was an outside big who couldnt block three a game, thats killer, there was always that worry. If I really have to take somebody...
Repole:you do
Brophdogg88:seems like Marvin Barnes SHOULD be here, and if I were looking at last years stats sure
Repole:He's been pretty awful for the Spurs, 0 regrets on that Tyler deal at this point.
Brophdogg88:Hes been pretty awful in general, I feel like somebody extremely obvious is right and front of me, and Im missing him.
Repole:Not that I know of, I'm going to feel equally awful about who I take
Brophdogg88:I have to take Dickey, I just dont see anybody with that same upside, he is shooting efficiently, great rebounder, D stats too, I think at SF he would be special. So I have to make that call.
Brophdogg88: #7: Derrek Dickey C 28 6'7'' 218 B C C- A A B
Derrek Dickey C 57 31.9 14.2 11.5 1.1 1.3 3.4 0.9 .480 .817 .000
Repole:I can't really argue that much
Brophdogg88:I think his name and past will get him the kinda value maybe his stats dont deserve? but he should. Blocks, steals, sick rebounds, not bad offensively, 28 and locked up, doesnt turn it over. No real big flaws, he just isnt getting the call offensively. At SF he would be elite with the rebounding and D.
Repole:welp there are a few directions I could go here, I don't really love any of them to be honest. Based on pure value around the league, I'm going to select this guy, but let the record show that i'm not a huge fan of his, that man is Marvin Barnes
Repole#8: Marvin Barnes PF 27 6'8'' 210 A- C C- A- A- C
Marvin Barnes PF 61 35.3 20.9 12.4 2.2 0.8 4.0 2.1 .444 .760 .412
Brophdogg88:heh, he got a lot of help getting his stats inflated with the Wizards
Repole:yeah, he did, but he's a capable scorer in the right offense
Brophdogg88:not shocked at all he falls here, but it turns out he is pretty meh offensively, needs the AC's
Repole:The turnovers aren't great. I'd love to see him at SF to be honest, I know it'd hurt the shotblocking, but I think his rebounding would make him an asset there, and I think his percentages would see a jump.
Brophdogg88:Meh, hate that every player has to move to SF seemingly
Repole:yeah, but that's the unfortunate reality with FBB, scorers at PF/C are pretty much impossible to find, and either way, they're going to be more effective at SF
Brophdogg88:yeah, which is why I loved the restriction on Laimbeer, but also a large part of why he is gonna fall...as for pick nine, get to do this whole I have no clue thing again, meh. Wish Dantley were doing more ppg, cause he is sick.
Repole:yeah I've had him on my radar as far back as the Dawkins pick
Brophdogg88:had him on the radar at 7 obviously, but meh, he isnt doing the volume right now...then again, Spencer is doing the DC. Being expiring hurts too...amazing how good that Tree/MRR/Dantley/English draft was, even Parish looks pretty nice.
Repole:I probably should have kept some cap space for this offseason
Brophdogg88:yeah, this has the potential to be a huge FA, funnily enough, if Tree and Bernie test, Im gonna have 10 million in cap space...just gotta get somebody to take Landsberger. Of course, I would much rather Tree and Bernie just resign
Repole:hah yeah, definitely wouldn't want to risk them leaving
Brophdogg88:but Ive stolen an FA before resigning a guy to a max before, in UOSLR
Repole:I owe pretty much my entire roster to one FA signing 15 or so seasons ago it seems. Signing Lucas was about the dream scenario
yBrophdogg88:eah, grabbing the most valuable or second most valuable player in the league is amazing. At that young, I mean, its like getting the first pick, and hitting a home run, for spare parts
Repole:I'd say it worked out quite nicely, got me Bingo; then Bingo got me 90% of my current roster. The gift that keeps on giving.
Brophdogg88:whats worse is I was talking to the Knicks trying to get the pick to take Bingo, then he comes with just got offered Lucas. Boom, over
Repole:Pretty happy about how that turned out
Brophdogg88:kinda think I may put the first rookie up there. Sidney Moncrief
Brophdogg88: #9: Sidney Moncrief SG 22 6'3'' 185 B+ A- B- A C+ B
Sidney Moncrief SG 70 37.7 20.0 6.6 4.4 2.1 0.6 2.0 .477 .851 .400
Brophdogg88:HUGE first TC, nice numbers for a rookie, and well, yeah. I mean, ratings are already sick, and his percentages are nice.
Repole:That first TC made me do a double take, you just can't trust Spencer on notes sometimes it seems.
Brophdogg88:Appears to have some blocking ability, and while the turnovers are meh, he steals more than enough to make up for it...all around SG's arent easy to come by, you can find scorers, or defenders, or rebounders. I think this may be the highest you see Moncrief though.
Repole:yeah, I'm not sure he ever becomes a dominant scorer, but his all around game is as good as it gets
Brophdogg88:kinda forgot about him considering he wastes away on J's roster, and probably still will be in 7 seasons with him still btching about offers, and trying to deal Boswell
Repole:meh, he was close to having Boswell gone for two firsts, until Outlawz backed out, pretty brutal. Jay at least seems to be on the right track with the whole tanking thing now.
Brophdogg88:ehh, but J backed out on a Denton offer after agreeing cause he got one he liked better, far more brutal. if you agree to the deal man up and do it, even if somebody comes with better,
Repole:was pretty much the exact same situation, Outlawz told him to post the Boswell deal.
Brophdogg88:I cant say that I wouldnt do the same thing if that shit was pulled on me
Repole:yeah, either way, they both suck.
Brophdogg88:Damn, (Moncrief is) best suited as a second or third option, probably just reached taking Moncrief here. Don't pay enough attention to the drafts since I'm winning.
Repole:Eh, but that's what I mean with Spencer, I don't necessarily buy that.
Brophdogg88:True, but he called him BBS ready, so he may well have been referring to that.
Repole:we'll see I guess, he called the leagues leading scorer last year a bench player at best, so meh
Brophdogg88:made the pick, already think its wrong, but I made it, so lets move to number 10, and Glenn isnt the leagues leading scorer anymore
Repole:
brutal TC
Brophdogg88:still doing 29+ppg
Repole:with meh turnovers, and percentages that aren't anything amazing
Brophdogg88:Spencer doesnt do test sims, thats a big deal, it makes the notes somewhat less reliable, but really, they cant be 100 percent perfect anyway. Anyway, Ill stick with Moncrief, hate it, but oh well.
Repole:I'm going to go with my heart here and take Adrian Dantley
Repole#10: Adrian Dantley SF 23 6'5'' 208 A- B+ D+ B+ B- B
Adrian Dantley SF 53 34.1 26.1 7.2 1.9 1.2 0.3 1.2 .509 .890 .450
Brophdogg88:I REALLY wanted to pick him, but he hasn't done more than the ppg he is doing now.
Repole:The volume isn't special, but it's still pretty damned good, and the efficiency is just awesome. Nothing I love more than wings who score efficiently and rebounding
Brophdogg88:yeah, though his rebounding isn't necessarily special for an SF
Repole:no, it's not, personally I'd play him at SG, where it'd be a much bigger bonus; I think he'd shoot an even higher percentage as well.
Brophdogg88:Not much of a defender, I would think he gets lit up at SG, an Irvine type drop in D at SG would not shock me, but he is quick.
Repole:Perhaps, would be interesting to see at the very least, and I'd think his bump in offense might make it worth it, Irvine right now has been pretty big for the Mavs.
Brophdogg88:Yeah, I was more referring to the fact that Irvine drops like 3 grades on D at SG as compared to SF, or did at one point.
Repole:Yeah, but I don't know that it's killed them defensively is what I mean. Drive defense makes it impossible to judge guys based on rating alone.
Brophdogg88:Spence said mediocre across the board. Anyway, guess thats our top 10, kinda shocking, lotta great guyus left out, well, older guys that is, KAJ was what, 7th last year, obviously he has fallen, same with Bingo
Repole:I don't feel too bad about leaving anyone out though, there aare some older guys, but that's to be expected
Brophdogg88:I can't really say I feel iffy about leaving them out.
So thats it, the top 10 value players in the league as taken by Repole and I,
this is an interview, next ones will be far more standard
Brophdogg88: Since its been decided I get to go first, (by me), Im taking the guy who is so obvious at #1 we coulda handed it to Greeme and he woulda taken him even over his massive overrating of prospects, Magic Johnson, currently averaging a triple double for the Celtics at PG, won a title in his rookie year, and just an all around
Brophdogg88: #1: Magic Johnson SF 20 6'8'' 215 A- B A C+ A- A
Magic Johnson SF 54 39.5 27.4 10.5 11.4 2.1 0.6 2.6 .452 .790 .349
Brophdogg88:sure his percentages arent great, but he brings something to the table nobody else in the league can offer, and now his outside is up to a B (seriously, fuck, just noticed that his outside improved with a freebie)
Repole: Larry Bird is my choice at #2
Repole #2: Larry Bird SF 22 6'9'' 220 A- A- A- B- A- A
Larry Bird SF 56 38.6 33.1 10.4 5.3 1.5 0.3 2.3 .494 .908 .406
Brophdogg88:: nice, leave me with the easy pick at three, so I can scoff, don't see what Bird brings to the table that cant be duplicated, well, outside rebounding, and scoring, and passing (but oh wait that's worthless), always worrying when in the draft notes its specifically stated the guy should need to play PF.
Repole: This isn't as easy of a choice as it should be, but Bird's combination of outside scoring and rebounding is something that just isn't matched on the wings. This pick to me is mostly about how easy it would be to build around Bird. Having a guy on the wings who can rebound like Bird to go with elite scoring is just so, so valuable. I'd take Magic ahead of him for basically the same reason, elite rebounding at a position where it's even harder to find (or well, impossible actually), but outside of him I'd start a franchise with Bird.
Brophdogg88: I may be a homer, but Im not stupid, Eric Money at 3. While I love Tree, Eric would have far more value on the open market, hes 24, locked up for 6 more years, and probably the 2nd best PG in the league
Brophdogg88 #3: Eric Money PG 24 6'0'' 170 B+ A A+ A C B
417 Eric Money PG 55 38.5 27.3 5.9 12.2 2.1 0.1 2.1 .470 .851 .397
Repole: Money's great, but he hasn't really been consistently dominant. Bird's still got a good amount of development to go, and I think his superior scoring more than makes up for Money's defensive advantage.
Brophdogg88: He doesnt hurt you with turnovers, great rebounder for a PG, steals scores, and passes, though that doesnt mean shit. Bird is just two years younger than Money, which is crazy to think about but just last season, 50/88/46 %'s for Money. Now he has more scoring around him, and started the year slower, but he has no real flaws. I mean, he keeps getting better, A outside A D, sick ratings...and being a PG in FBB makes him crazy valuable to winning.
Repole: Keep in mind though that those two TCs after year two and three tend to be two of the biggest. Would you take Money here if his inside was C+ and his stats were exactly the same?
Brophdogg88: In all honesty, no, because he wouldnt hold the same value, ratings play a big part in value, and as such, he has sick ratings.
Repole:And that's why I feel he's a bit over valued
Brophdogg88:He would probably not fall far though. Being 24 and locked up is a huge deal.
Repole:He obviously has a high jumping rating based on his dunk contest appearance. Sort of makes the lack of total dominance more understandable.
Brophdogg88:Ehh, but he is still gonna have inside
Repole:Yeah, he's obviously not a slouch there, but it's why he isn't Bradley Barker
Brophdogg88:I dont get the lack of total dominance. Last year was one of the best offensive performances you will see outta a PG. 50/88/46 is sick.
Repole:Yes, and last year was the only season he's been that good. This season he's back to being very, very, very good, but not elite as a scorer.
Brophdogg88:Sure, he isnt scoring 30+ ppg, but, he has that A+ handles, thats gonna take the volume down some. there isnt a PG that could match up to him consistently (Editors note: Kinda forgot about Magic being a PG here).he is that guaranteed number 1 guy, you dont have to worry about losing the fight.
Repole:that's true, just don't think the gap is as huge as the ratings suggest it to be
Brophdogg88:Birds great, but I think the #2 should have that overall game, no real flaws, and Birds lack of D, and meh turnovers are flaws. Money is still doing 47/85/39.7 right now, recovering from his horrific start.
Repole:The turnovers are fine when you consider the volume, it's not a flaw, it's just not a strength
Brophdogg88:ehh, look at Money though, he is doing the same shit, but at PG where turnovers tend to be more pronounced. he averages fewer turnovers.
Repole:and he's less effective as a scorer
Brophdogg88:but Defensively he is pretty obviously better and, his rebounding as a PG is a big deal
Repole:sure, and he's two years older. I'd take the two years younger over the defense, and Bird's rebounding at SF or SG is an even bigger deal to me.
Brophdogg88:had Bird improved this last TC maybe I buy your point, but I dont think he has much room left to grow, horrific perimeter defender, mediocre post defender, but he does steal.
Repole:meh, usually people use improvement over TC as a way to gauge how much potential they have left. it's obvious he started with 100. He's likely down to the mid 80s now, he's still got plenty of room to grow. Anyways, my pick again, and to me a pretty easy pick, Tree Rollins.
Repole#4: Tree Rollins C 24 7'1'' 235 B+ C D+ A- A- B
Tree Rollins C 57 35.8 24.0 11.9 2.5 0.6 3.9 1.3 .481 .940 .000
Brophdogg88: Not shocked, he might be up there ahead of Money, same age, but, what he is is expiring, and thats killer
Repole:The expiring does suck, but he's just flat out dominant in pretty much every way a big man can be. Probably the most efficient big man scorer the league has ever seen, he's an elite shot blocker and a well above average rebounder. Totally in love with this dude's game. He improved far more from his rookie year than I ever expected to be honest
Brophdogg88: His fouls are getting old though, thats killing me right now, as a team, he makes us better defensivley playing PF, but he gets in foul trouble way too much
Repole:yeah, but he still manages to be on the court for 36 minutes
Brophdogg88: I was scared of the rebounding for the longest time, but with the freebie, and even before that, his numbers have been far above average.
Repole:yeah, it was his only real weakness early, now it's clearly a strength; as is pretty much everything about his game. To me this is as easy a pick as there will be throughout the process, outside of Magic
Brophdogg88:Really glad Play didnt take that Tree and Robinzine for Dickey offer tbh
Repole:as you should be. Play's lost a step though, pretty clear now
Brophdogg88: I think at number five, it has to be Dr. J, the dude is a special, special player
Brophdogg88: #5: Julius Erving SF 29 6'6'' 200 A- A B A+ B- B
Julius Erving SF 51 39.4 28.1 8.7 4.8 1.5 1.6 1.7 .485 .888 .419
Brophdogg88:Sure, his early years were disappointing, but overall he has few holes in his game, he blocks, steals, rebounds, passes (hey it looks nice). He defends, scores extremely well, and I mean, ugh
Repole:I'd tend to agree, though he's approaching that magic 30 number where value seems to die.
Brophdogg88:Yeah, he is 29, but I dont think that is gonna matter, I just dont feel there is anybody better right now at overall effect on a team The Celtics rode him last year with magic not really ready. if Dickey was playing better maybe, but he has disappointed lately, pretty heavily offensively. And I just dont see that star young guy
Repole:It should be interesting to see how DBW continues to build his roster around Magic though as Julius ages a bit.
Brophdogg88:Yeah, the transition to Magic from J will be interesting, seeing what he does to replace Skeeter, how he handles Parker etc is the key. That team has more talent and more value than any other, but managing the cap is goonna be tough
Repole:Magic alone pretty much means it has more value than any other roster. Damned that lottery.
Brophdogg88:Ehh, Magic is special, but if you offer me say, Money and ....actually, I think you are rigght, outside maybe a Money/Tree offer, or Money and somebody who the lakers dont have, what are you gonna do. Interesting thought...Bingo or Magic, who is gonna have the better career.
Repole:I think Magic's numbers will look potentially prettier, solid shot he averages a triple double for the majority of his career, but to me topping Bingo's impact just won't happen. He carried a team both offensively and defensively, I don't know that Magic will get to that same level as a scorer.
Brophdogg88:Funny that already he has entered that realm though, second year and he is the annointed one...question is, if you want MJ to be better, how can you possibly do that.
Repole:On that note, I'm going to go ahead and select Darryl Dawkins:
Repole#6: Darryl Dawkins PF 22 6'11'' 251 A- C- C- A- B+ B
Darryl Dawkins PF 55 38.0 20.0 12.7 1.8 1.0 3.6 2.0 .467 .741 .000
Brophdogg88:ohhhh, surprised
Repole:It may be a bit of a reach, but consider that he's 22, locked up long term, an elite shot blocker, a well above average rebounder, and has turned into a pretty damned solid offensive player as well. If I had Bingo still and had to rebuild, I wouldn't hesitate a second to move him for Dawkins.
Brophdogg88:well, Bingo is old (editors note: and overpaid), so there is that, nor is he top ten value in my mind.
Repole:I guess to me it comes down to Dawkins being the closest thing to Tree Rollins out there, he's not the offensive player Tree is, but defensively and on the glass he's as good as it gets
Brophdogg88:so now, if I offer Money and Dawkins for Magic, and you have him, do you do that
Repole:I still decline from the Celtics perspective, but I'm not as high on Money as you are
Brophdogg88:I cant see Money passing four on value, so kinda shocking, even if you do take Tree over him, that leaves a lot of players behind him.
Repole:Either could I, but to me he's totally out of the running for top 2 and I'd probably have him at 4 if you ignore the contract situation with Tree. I just don't believe in giving up a player as special as Magic though. Maybe, I said I wouldn't trade Tree right now for Money, and that's true, but, I think league wide, Money is going to garner that value, as great as Money and Dawkins are, they aren't guaranteeing anything.
Brophdogg88:maybe, I said I wouldn't trade Tree right now for Money, and that's true, but, I think league wide, Money is going to garner that value. Also, way to shit on me after I say Money and somebody the Lakers don't have.
Repole:Haha, the Laker's roster has a ton of talent on it, though they're a few moves away from really capitalizing on it.
Brophdogg88:kinda shocked me, if he wasnt starting my least favorite player in the league, that team would be really scary. Willoughby being effective at SF is a big deal.
Repole:Eakins hasn't been too bad though
Brophdogg88:I just hate Eakins, so horrid, makes me think he is gonna be good, then shit. Does nada, turns it over a ton while I'm trying to deal him in a package for Beaty, blegh.
Repole:Understandably so. I think the worst thing Styro's doing is playing Malbert Pradd 11 minutes a game at backup PG. That's really just unacceptable. It's only 11 mpg, but people tend to underrate how big of an impact that can have
Brophdogg88:yeah, Pradd sucks. Of course, I did the same thing last year, but that was third string. Here's the thing, outta backups, if you have the scoring in the starting lineup, Ive always felt the abiliuty to get one big game outta every four was a bigger deal, Pradd can do that, and really, his 3.3 turnovers or so per 36 arent all that bad...could he put Alviin Scott as his backup, sure
Repole:Eh the issue to me is pradd doesn't give him anything he needs
Brophdogg88:his percentages arent great, but, he produces points at around a 20 ppg mark, and is a nice rebounding backup , the only thing the Lakers need really is...uhh, well rebounding I guess
Repole:Putting Scott there is just so easily a better choice though, or even a bigger guy who rebounds
Brophdogg88:Scott is horrific offensively though.
Repole:He doesn't need to scoring though, scott isn't shooting enough for it to really matter that much.
Brophdogg88:ehh, love having somebody off the bench, who can score in the event your starters shit on you.
Repole:I'd honestly consider having Schlueter play backup point over Pradd, but that's just me and my love for out of position stuff.
Brophdogg88:meh, I hate running that kinda stuff, Schlueter has the most impact as a bacckup PF/C though anyway, great rebounder.
Repole:Jasper Wilson would be an awesome pickup for them too, get some rebounding and defense at backup PG/SG to make up for Westphal's rebounding.
Brophdogg88:true, Jasper would, his ratings have gone straight to hell though...dont see the salary on the Lakers to get him
Mayes and Pradd is close actually, so nevermind that; cause he isnt right at the HC or anything.
Repole:Eh, yeah, he should get on that.
Brophdogg88:so, for number 7...why does Dickey make it so hard for me to pick him here. I cant, but I think he probably should.
Repole:because he's 28 and is mediocre offensively
Brophdogg88:no, his percetages are great. 48/82
Repole:absolutely, but he's not a volume guy,
Brophdogg88:I think he is, thats what I dont get
Repole:he's Tree without volume, and 28
Brophdogg88:too lazy to go look at the DC, I've always felt he at SF would be>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
Repole:agreed
Brophdogg88:anyway though, I gotta go with....I really wanna say Maurice Cheeks, shoulda made a list prior to starting this, so difficult right now, Cheeks percentages are meh
Repole:Wouldn't put Cheeks here for sure, he's got a long way to go offensively
Brophdogg88:I dont LOVE anybody at this pick, signal of a nice drop off
Repole:I can sympathize, pretty bleh on whoever I'll be picking after you
Brophdogg88:cant take Gervin, I don't think he is even better than Westphal right now. Moses is meh right now. Nobody on my roster to reach for.
Repole:Moses is a pretty big disappointment in my eyes
Brophdogg88:he is, no doubt, he finally develops his D, and his offense drops off.
Repole:you could probably make a case for Bobby here if you really wanted to
Brophdogg88:can I just say Isaiah Thomas already? I just dont see anybody I wouldnt instantly deal for him
Repole:yeah, I'd tend to agree with that
Brophdogg88:even if he hasnt been in the league yet, nor have we seen him play, screw it, taking the cheap way out.
Repole:but how many would have said that about Laimbeer around this spot last year? smh at taking a guy not even in the league yet.
Brophdogg88:true, but, on the other hand the guy was an outside big who couldnt block three a game, thats killer, there was always that worry. If I really have to take somebody...
Repole:you do
Brophdogg88:seems like Marvin Barnes SHOULD be here, and if I were looking at last years stats sure
Repole:He's been pretty awful for the Spurs, 0 regrets on that Tyler deal at this point.
Brophdogg88:Hes been pretty awful in general, I feel like somebody extremely obvious is right and front of me, and Im missing him.
Repole:Not that I know of, I'm going to feel equally awful about who I take
Brophdogg88:I have to take Dickey, I just dont see anybody with that same upside, he is shooting efficiently, great rebounder, D stats too, I think at SF he would be special. So I have to make that call.
Brophdogg88: #7: Derrek Dickey C 28 6'7'' 218 B C C- A A B
Derrek Dickey C 57 31.9 14.2 11.5 1.1 1.3 3.4 0.9 .480 .817 .000
Repole:I can't really argue that much
Brophdogg88:I think his name and past will get him the kinda value maybe his stats dont deserve? but he should. Blocks, steals, sick rebounds, not bad offensively, 28 and locked up, doesnt turn it over. No real big flaws, he just isnt getting the call offensively. At SF he would be elite with the rebounding and D.
Repole:welp there are a few directions I could go here, I don't really love any of them to be honest. Based on pure value around the league, I'm going to select this guy, but let the record show that i'm not a huge fan of his, that man is Marvin Barnes
Repole#8: Marvin Barnes PF 27 6'8'' 210 A- C C- A- A- C
Marvin Barnes PF 61 35.3 20.9 12.4 2.2 0.8 4.0 2.1 .444 .760 .412
Brophdogg88:heh, he got a lot of help getting his stats inflated with the Wizards
Repole:yeah, he did, but he's a capable scorer in the right offense
Brophdogg88:not shocked at all he falls here, but it turns out he is pretty meh offensively, needs the AC's
Repole:The turnovers aren't great. I'd love to see him at SF to be honest, I know it'd hurt the shotblocking, but I think his rebounding would make him an asset there, and I think his percentages would see a jump.
Brophdogg88:Meh, hate that every player has to move to SF seemingly
Repole:yeah, but that's the unfortunate reality with FBB, scorers at PF/C are pretty much impossible to find, and either way, they're going to be more effective at SF
Brophdogg88:yeah, which is why I loved the restriction on Laimbeer, but also a large part of why he is gonna fall...as for pick nine, get to do this whole I have no clue thing again, meh. Wish Dantley were doing more ppg, cause he is sick.
Repole:yeah I've had him on my radar as far back as the Dawkins pick
Brophdogg88:had him on the radar at 7 obviously, but meh, he isnt doing the volume right now...then again, Spencer is doing the DC. Being expiring hurts too...amazing how good that Tree/MRR/Dantley/English draft was, even Parish looks pretty nice.
Repole:I probably should have kept some cap space for this offseason
Brophdogg88:yeah, this has the potential to be a huge FA, funnily enough, if Tree and Bernie test, Im gonna have 10 million in cap space...just gotta get somebody to take Landsberger. Of course, I would much rather Tree and Bernie just resign
Repole:hah yeah, definitely wouldn't want to risk them leaving
Brophdogg88:but Ive stolen an FA before resigning a guy to a max before, in UOSLR
Repole:I owe pretty much my entire roster to one FA signing 15 or so seasons ago it seems. Signing Lucas was about the dream scenario
yBrophdogg88:eah, grabbing the most valuable or second most valuable player in the league is amazing. At that young, I mean, its like getting the first pick, and hitting a home run, for spare parts
Repole:I'd say it worked out quite nicely, got me Bingo; then Bingo got me 90% of my current roster. The gift that keeps on giving.
Brophdogg88:whats worse is I was talking to the Knicks trying to get the pick to take Bingo, then he comes with just got offered Lucas. Boom, over
Repole:Pretty happy about how that turned out
Brophdogg88:kinda think I may put the first rookie up there. Sidney Moncrief
Brophdogg88: #9: Sidney Moncrief SG 22 6'3'' 185 B+ A- B- A C+ B
Sidney Moncrief SG 70 37.7 20.0 6.6 4.4 2.1 0.6 2.0 .477 .851 .400
Brophdogg88:HUGE first TC, nice numbers for a rookie, and well, yeah. I mean, ratings are already sick, and his percentages are nice.
Repole:That first TC made me do a double take, you just can't trust Spencer on notes sometimes it seems.
Brophdogg88:Appears to have some blocking ability, and while the turnovers are meh, he steals more than enough to make up for it...all around SG's arent easy to come by, you can find scorers, or defenders, or rebounders. I think this may be the highest you see Moncrief though.
Repole:yeah, I'm not sure he ever becomes a dominant scorer, but his all around game is as good as it gets
Brophdogg88:kinda forgot about him considering he wastes away on J's roster, and probably still will be in 7 seasons with him still btching about offers, and trying to deal Boswell
Repole:meh, he was close to having Boswell gone for two firsts, until Outlawz backed out, pretty brutal. Jay at least seems to be on the right track with the whole tanking thing now.
Brophdogg88:ehh, but J backed out on a Denton offer after agreeing cause he got one he liked better, far more brutal. if you agree to the deal man up and do it, even if somebody comes with better,
Repole:was pretty much the exact same situation, Outlawz told him to post the Boswell deal.
Brophdogg88:I cant say that I wouldnt do the same thing if that shit was pulled on me
Repole:yeah, either way, they both suck.
Brophdogg88:Damn, (Moncrief is) best suited as a second or third option, probably just reached taking Moncrief here. Don't pay enough attention to the drafts since I'm winning.
Repole:Eh, but that's what I mean with Spencer, I don't necessarily buy that.
Brophdogg88:True, but he called him BBS ready, so he may well have been referring to that.
Repole:we'll see I guess, he called the leagues leading scorer last year a bench player at best, so meh
Brophdogg88:made the pick, already think its wrong, but I made it, so lets move to number 10, and Glenn isnt the leagues leading scorer anymore
Repole:
brutal TCBrophdogg88:still doing 29+ppg
Repole:with meh turnovers, and percentages that aren't anything amazing
Brophdogg88:Spencer doesnt do test sims, thats a big deal, it makes the notes somewhat less reliable, but really, they cant be 100 percent perfect anyway. Anyway, Ill stick with Moncrief, hate it, but oh well.
Repole:I'm going to go with my heart here and take Adrian Dantley
Repole#10: Adrian Dantley SF 23 6'5'' 208 A- B+ D+ B+ B- B
Adrian Dantley SF 53 34.1 26.1 7.2 1.9 1.2 0.3 1.2 .509 .890 .450
Brophdogg88:I REALLY wanted to pick him, but he hasn't done more than the ppg he is doing now.
Repole:The volume isn't special, but it's still pretty damned good, and the efficiency is just awesome. Nothing I love more than wings who score efficiently and rebounding
Brophdogg88:yeah, though his rebounding isn't necessarily special for an SF
Repole:no, it's not, personally I'd play him at SG, where it'd be a much bigger bonus; I think he'd shoot an even higher percentage as well.
Brophdogg88:Not much of a defender, I would think he gets lit up at SG, an Irvine type drop in D at SG would not shock me, but he is quick.
Repole:Perhaps, would be interesting to see at the very least, and I'd think his bump in offense might make it worth it, Irvine right now has been pretty big for the Mavs.
Brophdogg88:Yeah, I was more referring to the fact that Irvine drops like 3 grades on D at SG as compared to SF, or did at one point.
Repole:Yeah, but I don't know that it's killed them defensively is what I mean. Drive defense makes it impossible to judge guys based on rating alone.
Brophdogg88:Spence said mediocre across the board. Anyway, guess thats our top 10, kinda shocking, lotta great guyus left out, well, older guys that is, KAJ was what, 7th last year, obviously he has fallen, same with Bingo
Repole:I don't feel too bad about leaving anyone out though, there aare some older guys, but that's to be expected
Brophdogg88:I can't really say I feel iffy about leaving them out.
So thats it, the top 10 value players in the league as taken by Repole and I,
