Post by repole ಠ_ಠ on Jun 17, 2011 10:05:24 GMT -5
-Obviously it's early in the season, so there are going to be a good deal of outliers, but I always find early season stats fun. Here are some top 10 rankings based on PER (with oRtg's also listed):
Point Guards
-Each of the point guards who are top 10 in PER are also above average in oRtg. Thankfully, there isn't anyone in this group who's simply jacking up tons of shots and producing points at an inefficient rate.
-Ryan Johnson is only playing 12 mpg and just barely made the minutes cut off, but he has been really impressive in his limited minutes. He's shooting 52% from the field, scoring more than one point per every two minutes, and has kept his turnovers down. The 76ers may want to consider giving some of Lesser's (below average efficiency and PER) minutes to Johnson.
-Ricky Francis has to be the most productive guy with shitty ratings I've ever seen. He's not just putting up volume, he's doing it as efficiently as anyone else.
-Missing from this list are guys like John Wall (18.93 PER, 111 oRtg) and Cam Adams. Adams, who got a max contract this summer, currently has a 110.5 oRtg (slightly below average), and 17 PER (moderately above average). His shooting percentages look ok, but are actually a little bit below average, and he's turning the ball over significantly more than most of his point guard counter parts. The only guy with a higher PER and a higher turnover rate at the PG position is Kasumara Izawa.
-Knight and Barker, are like, really good.
Shooting Guards
-The shooting guard spot seems to be significantly less efficient and productive than most of the league's point guards. It certainly seems like the league has shifted away from being a swingman's league towards being a point guard's league.
-I dealt Ben Bass to pick up a first as I wanted to clear a little more cap space, but the Cavs got themselves a hell of a role player. He's only playing 12 minutes a game right now (really small sample size), but he's shooting an incredible 62%. Obviously that's going to come back down to earth, but historically Bass has been an efficient player, and should be a valuable role player for the Cavs going forward.
-For as good of a shooter as he is, Nehemiah Harrison has actually been subpar efficiency wise, which is pretty surprising. He's putting up 26 a game, but his percentages are mediocre, he turns the ball over, and he doesn't do much else other than score. That contract might not have been such a good idea.
-Jordan Price, so far, has been a volume scorer. He isn't productive enough with his possessions to justify the number of shots he's taken.
-Outside of the top 7 SGs you'll find yourself in a pretty murky group, it's pretty remarkable how weak of a SG collective this league has.
-There's definitely never been a 31 year old, 5'10 SG as good as Bobby Cook. What a stud.
Small Forwards
-Small forwards seem to be more productive than shooting guards in this league, which is interesting since they tend to be pretty interchangeable.
-For all the hype J.D. Quincy has gotten, he hasn't actually been THAT good. He's putting up big numbers, but he should be doing it more efficiently. Historically he's a much better shooter than this though, so I'd expect that to change, and expect the Mavs to start shooting up the Western Conference standings.
-I'd give up my team to have Dean Hollis.
-Perry Jones may be getting older, but he's still, without any doubt, an elite player.
-Wayne Worthington's stats don't look that impressive, but on a per minute basis he's been damn good. For a guy with no outside shot playing at SF, Worthington has been really, really good.
Power Forwards
-As a group, the power forwards in this league simply haven't been that good.
-Flint is putting up big numbers, but offensively he's been rather inefficient. Make no mistake, McCracken and Dickerson are the reason the Bulls' offense is elite, not Flint.
-Tremont has been a bit underwhelming for a guy with A inside.
-Pretty remarkable that Schayes is already an elite PF his rookie season.
-His ratings aren't spectacular, and he's getting old, but Brook Lopez is still worth every penny he's getting paid.
-Brandon Watts couldn't be given away this offseason, looks like he's playing with a chip on his shoulder. He's like a much better version of Charlie Villanueva.
Centers
-Offensively, the center position is severely lacking in standouts other than Dickerson. There's no doubt he's the best center in this league.
-Robinson is putting up big scoring numbers, and from a statistical standpoint it's hard for me to be upset with him as our #1 overall pick in 2023.
-The George Hall trade just keeps looking worse and worse for the Pacers. Not only is Quincy one of the top 5 most valuable players in the league, Hall has been an inefficient disaster offensively. When a guy shoots 34% at the line, he's pretty much guaranteed to be inefficient unless he's shooting 60% from the floor. If the Pacers want their offense to improve, they'll remove Hall from their options.
-Alf's combination of efficiency and production probably puts him above Robinson, O'Mara, and Hixon as the 2nd best center in the league.
Point Guards
| Rank | First Last | TEAM | POS | PER | oRtg |
| 1 | Jacquez Knight | Suns | PG | 25.3 | 125.6 |
| 2 | Bradley Barker | Bobcats | PG | 23.6 | 124.4 |
| 3 | Isaac Woods | Heat | PG | 22.01 | 118.3 |
| 4 | Alexey Shved | Jazz | PG | 21.95 | 123.6 |
| 5 | Ryan Johnson | 76ers | PG | 20.84 | 133.1 |
| 6 | Ray McCallum | Heat | PG | 20.63 | 120.1 |
| 7 | LaDaniel Graham | Raptors | PG | 20.35 | 117.8 |
| 8 | Rickey Francis | Knicks | PG | 19.77 | 125.5 |
| 9 | Kyrie Irving | Lakers | PG | 19.69 | 120.1 |
| 10 | Bob Cousy | Magic | PG | 19.41 | 116.5 |
-Ryan Johnson is only playing 12 mpg and just barely made the minutes cut off, but he has been really impressive in his limited minutes. He's shooting 52% from the field, scoring more than one point per every two minutes, and has kept his turnovers down. The 76ers may want to consider giving some of Lesser's (below average efficiency and PER) minutes to Johnson.
-Ricky Francis has to be the most productive guy with shitty ratings I've ever seen. He's not just putting up volume, he's doing it as efficiently as anyone else.
-Missing from this list are guys like John Wall (18.93 PER, 111 oRtg) and Cam Adams. Adams, who got a max contract this summer, currently has a 110.5 oRtg (slightly below average), and 17 PER (moderately above average). His shooting percentages look ok, but are actually a little bit below average, and he's turning the ball over significantly more than most of his point guard counter parts. The only guy with a higher PER and a higher turnover rate at the PG position is Kasumara Izawa.
-Knight and Barker, are like, really good.
Shooting Guards
| Rank | First Last | TEAM | POS | PER | oRtg |
| 1 | Ben Rollins | Raptors | SG | 24.03 | 122.7 |
| 2 | Tracy Parker | Pistons | SG | 22.04 | 119.7 |
| 3 | Vince McCracken | Bulls | SG | 21.97 | 127.4 |
| 4 | Ricky Roe | Rockets | SG | 21.53 | 121.9 |
| 5 | Bobby Cook | Knicks | SG | 20.89 | 122.7 |
| 6 | Mitchell Jordan | Celtics | SG | 20.56 | 115.9 |
| 7 | Allan Avery | Raptors | SG | 20.05 | 116.1 |
| 8 | Jordan Price | Grizzlies | SG | 18.76 | 109.1 |
| 9 | Ben Bass | Cavaliers | SG | 16.31 | 133.3 |
| 10 | Nehemiah Harrison | Warriors | SG | 16.29 | 110.8 |
-I dealt Ben Bass to pick up a first as I wanted to clear a little more cap space, but the Cavs got themselves a hell of a role player. He's only playing 12 minutes a game right now (really small sample size), but he's shooting an incredible 62%. Obviously that's going to come back down to earth, but historically Bass has been an efficient player, and should be a valuable role player for the Cavs going forward.
-For as good of a shooter as he is, Nehemiah Harrison has actually been subpar efficiency wise, which is pretty surprising. He's putting up 26 a game, but his percentages are mediocre, he turns the ball over, and he doesn't do much else other than score. That contract might not have been such a good idea.
-Jordan Price, so far, has been a volume scorer. He isn't productive enough with his possessions to justify the number of shots he's taken.
-Outside of the top 7 SGs you'll find yourself in a pretty murky group, it's pretty remarkable how weak of a SG collective this league has.
-There's definitely never been a 31 year old, 5'10 SG as good as Bobby Cook. What a stud.
Small Forwards
| Rank | First Last | TEAM | POS | PER | oRtg |
| 1 | Dean Hollis | Clippers | SF | 27.69 | 128.2 |
| 2 | Antonio Ramsey | 76ers | SF | 26.4 | 124.5 |
| 3 | Perry Jones | Cavaliers | SF | 24.04 | 125.7 |
| 4 | J.D. Quincy | Mavericks | SF | 21.91 | 109.6 |
| 5 | Wayne Worthington | Rockets | SF | 21.25 | 118.6 |
| 6 | Justin Ferguson | Mavericks | SF | 20.39 | 128.2 |
| 7 | Dan Davis | Suns | SF | 19.89 | 125.2 |
| 8 | Jarrett Jordan | Trail Blazers | SF | 19.83 | 119.7 |
| 9 | Derrick Williams | Pacers | SF | 19.43 | 122.6 |
| 10 | Michael Gilchrist | Lakers | SF | 18.52 | 127.1 |
-For all the hype J.D. Quincy has gotten, he hasn't actually been THAT good. He's putting up big numbers, but he should be doing it more efficiently. Historically he's a much better shooter than this though, so I'd expect that to change, and expect the Mavs to start shooting up the Western Conference standings.
-I'd give up my team to have Dean Hollis.
-Perry Jones may be getting older, but he's still, without any doubt, an elite player.
-Wayne Worthington's stats don't look that impressive, but on a per minute basis he's been damn good. For a guy with no outside shot playing at SF, Worthington has been really, really good.
Power Forwards
| Rank | First Last | TEAM | POS | PER | oRtg |
| 1 | Derrick Favors | Trail Blazers | PF | 24.74 | 117.8 |
| 2 | Dolph Schayes | Suns | PF | 23.52 | 121.6 |
| 3 | Jayson O'Keane | Knicks | PF | 21.01 | 111.9 |
| 4 | Lorenzo Bunn | Wizards | PF | 18.92 | 113.7 |
| 5 | Stephen Flint | Bulls | PF | 18.84 | 106.3 |
| 6 | Brook Lopez | 76ers | PF | 18.4 | 130.6 |
| 7 | Brandon Watts | Suns | PF | 18.3 | 121.3 |
| 8 | DeMarcus Cousins | Pistons | PF | 17.91 | 112.9 |
| 9 | Rakeem Christmas | Hornets | PF | 17.52 | 108.9 |
| 10 | Juno Tremont | Lakers | PF | 17.4 | 110.7 |
-Flint is putting up big numbers, but offensively he's been rather inefficient. Make no mistake, McCracken and Dickerson are the reason the Bulls' offense is elite, not Flint.
-Tremont has been a bit underwhelming for a guy with A inside.
-Pretty remarkable that Schayes is already an elite PF his rookie season.
-His ratings aren't spectacular, and he's getting old, but Brook Lopez is still worth every penny he's getting paid.
-Brandon Watts couldn't be given away this offseason, looks like he's playing with a chip on his shoulder. He's like a much better version of Charlie Villanueva.
Centers
| Rank | First Last | TEAM | POS | PER | oRtg |
| 1 | Evan Dickerson | Bulls | C | 21.68 | 118.2 |
| 2 | Jason Robinson | Magic | C | 20.92 | 112.5 |
| 3 | Sean O'Mara | Timberwolves | C | 19.9 | 113.1 |
| 4 | Andre Hixon | Heat | C | 19.78 | 110.4 |
| 5 | Alf Sjoberg | Nets | C | 19.65 | 120.6 |
| 6 | Fab Melo | Cavaliers | C | 18.11 | 114.1 |
| 7 | Franz Reinhart | Hawks | C | 17.86 | 119 |
| 8 | Andryunas Raskauskas | Wizards | C | 17.55 | 111.9 |
| 9 | George Hall | Pacers | C | 17.46 | 99.7 |
| 10 | Kody Griffin | Mavericks | C | 17.32 | 109.4 |
-Offensively, the center position is severely lacking in standouts other than Dickerson. There's no doubt he's the best center in this league.
-Robinson is putting up big scoring numbers, and from a statistical standpoint it's hard for me to be upset with him as our #1 overall pick in 2023.
-The George Hall trade just keeps looking worse and worse for the Pacers. Not only is Quincy one of the top 5 most valuable players in the league, Hall has been an inefficient disaster offensively. When a guy shoots 34% at the line, he's pretty much guaranteed to be inefficient unless he's shooting 60% from the floor. If the Pacers want their offense to improve, they'll remove Hall from their options.
-Alf's combination of efficiency and production probably puts him above Robinson, O'Mara, and Hixon as the 2nd best center in the league.
